Ok, long story short, weve been in court over a year. Im the Stepmom (SM?)... were actually getting married in a month, so whatever. Anyways, the BioMom(BM?) has "custody", shes the PRP. Hes SRP.
They drafted up an agreement, it was signed and filed, thats our advice from the atty, but the problem is that it specifies we get 14 weekends per year, plus 3 one week visits to occur at christmas, one over fathers day, and one over another time during the summer.
Well, she proposed a set of dates to replace the 14 weekends per year. Now shes refusing to sign off on it. (Father is in agreement to those dates).
Now our atty says that hes not doing anything else on the case without an additional 2500 retainer. Weve burned through 1500 in the past 3 months alone. Mostly becasue she causes some scene at every single visitation exchange. She denies, witholds, gets nasty, refuses to meet halfway. it always works out at the very last moment, but its costing us a fortune.
Now what do we do? We had severe hurricane damage, we cant afford even the 2500 in retainer, or to get another atty (theyd want the same thing im sure, weve checked around already and most were very close or at least that).
Our atty rarely returns calls, we try calling and leaving messages, he either doesnt get them, or i dont know what, then gets pissed cause we call every day when he doesnt return our calls. But like right now, we have to have something taken care of monday, it didnt happen. We have something else that was supposed to be taken care of by today, didnt happen. He lets everything slide, but still charges us for his time!
my fiance is hesitant to go pro se. Should we or what? Negotiating with them is not an option, evne stuff they propose, when we agree, they change their mind. Id rather leave it upto a judge at this point.
Im so frsutrated i cant stand it and so is my fiance. its beena year since filing and we still dont have a final hearing!
To top it off, the child now has bottle rot that she refuses to have treated. And we cant even get one day of makeup visitation to get him seen on our time!
HELP!
BothSides...
Do you have family members that can give you a loan?
Do you have friend and relitives that were planning on giving you money for a wedding present?
You may also be able to qualify for Pro Bono depending state.
If your step child is being neglected than you may want to get Child Protective Services involved. If they feel there is neglect they may place the child with you temp pending district court. This will also give you leverage because if distric court finds her guilty then you have proof of neglect not just alligations. If CPS feels there is neglect this could also give you some more time and custody time till the family court hearing. CPS is free to you just don't make faulse alligations that will back fire on you.
>>Now shes refusing to sign off on it. (Father is in agreement to those dates).<<
I am not an attorney, and I am not giving you legal advice, BUT IF IT WERE ME, I think I might file an OSC (Order to Show Cause) checking off the box that states OTHER: and specify that you are uring expidition os signing the order and stating the best interest of the child being served through continuity and constnacy with the refusal of the opposing party as the CHANGE OF CIRCUMSTANCE.
>>Now our atty says that hes not doing anything else on the case without an additional 2500 retainer. Weve burned through 1500
in the past 3 months alone.<<
Maybe hiring another attorney to sub in the day of the event then asking them to work on payments to finish the matter off? You can even have a SELF-HELP clinic prepare your paper work on a WAIVER, you can submit it to the courts and serve the other party THEN hire the attorney to sub in for you after the fact.
THEN I would recommend you check with the STATE BAR ASSOCIATION and look into UNCONSIONABLE FEES as a possible complaint to file against you attourney. I think they are bound by law to defend your case dilligently, and as in my case, I don't know that refusing to represent your interests pending payment of moneys is necessarily ethical or legal. I'm looking into it and think you should too!
>>Mostly becasue she causes some scene at every single visitation exchange. She denies, witholds, gets nasty, refuses to meet halfway. it always works out at the very last moment, but its costing us a fortune.<<
List all these in your declaration and then ask for attorney fees and maybe snctions.
>>Now what do we do? We had severe hurricane damage, we cant
afford even the 2500 in retainer, or to get another atty (theyd want the same thing im sure, weve checked around already and most were very close or at least that).<<
Go the route of having the SELF-HELP clinic set up the paper work free of cost, then file and serve it on a waiver.
Then ask for 90 day continuance to gain the time necessary to save up enough for a cheap last minute sub-in. I had one lawyer sub in and out the same day of my hearing just to argue my case so I could get in front of a mdeiator because while there I was able to get my custody back - try it andc see if it works for you as well as it did for me.
>>Our atty rarely returns calls, we try calling and leaving messages, he either doesnt get them, or i dont know what, then gets pissed cause we call every day when he doesnt return our calls. But like right now, we have to have something taken care of monday, it didnt happen. We have something else that was supposed to be taken care of by today, didnt happen. He lets everything slide, but still charges us for his time<<
You've got to 86 the lawyer and get one to work for you who remember that THEY ARE SERVING YOU and not the other way around.
>>my fiance is hesitant to go pro se. Should we or what?<<
You will be pro se or in pro per for the duration of time it takes you to find another attorney, but if you handle it correctly and line it up in advance, it will work to your advantage. The other side's "snake in the grass" will assume you are buckling, this gains you the element of surpirse then, because when you come back in with a lawyer who actually has some teeth to bite with, then they will be more prone to cooperate with you because they will know that you are prepared to do what it take to put things in check.
>>Negotiating with them is not an option, evne stuff they propose, when we agree, they change their mind.<<
Never negotiate unless it's on your terms.
>>Id rather leave it upto a judge at this point.<<
Thats what I'm doing. The lawyers are just going to cut deals anyway, cut deals and kiss each other's bar cards.
>>Im so frsutrated i cant stand it and so is my fiance. its beena year since filing and we still dont have a final hearing! To top it off, the child now has bottle rot that she refuses to have treated. And we cant even get one day of makeup visitation to get him seen on our time!<<
Fight for the rights of the child, and don't stop fighting until you win and the child is safe and properly cared for.
Thanks to both of you for your help.
We will have no choice but to go pro se . Were letting him finish this month, paying his bill, but asking for as little of his services from here on out as possible. However, if he fails to return our calls even toady, which im sure he will out of spite, then hes fired as of today.
We have several contempts we need t ofile, that the attorney refused to file. Im worried the judge may wonder why some of them are just now being filed when some of the contempts occured months ago.
Do you think an explanation would be necessary, or maybe a letter to the judge?
Now, shes planning on taking him to the dentist on friday - seems shes had a sudden change of heart after letting her atty know about the situation. Even if she takes him friday, its been left untreated for over 2 months. Should we file contempt on that as well? would taht seem petty?
Even if she does eventually have it treated, could we use that as leverage for going after custody?
Thanks so much!
BothSides
1. why does the agreement specify a certain amount of weekends? every other weekend would be 26 .. and I believe that is pretty standard unless there is a great distance...
you can file show causes you do not need an attorney present ...
2. what are the holidays schedule?
3. what about summer one week out of 3 months?
something just does not seem right with that... You can go pro se many have just read up on the state codes ... have some knowledge of what the law is.. you can learn alot here go to the articles archive and read as much as you can
There is an 8 hour drive between them. The agreement, IMO, is stupid, and doesnt make sense, youre right. She asked that it specify 14 weekends per year, because she wanted it to be every 3rd weekend. He was in agreement to every 3rd weekend, but its an atty mishap that it didnt get in there, mostly.
For holidays, he gets him Wed - Sun (5 pm exchanges) for Thanksgiving,
Noon on christmas until Jan 1 at noon.
and thats pretty much it.
He also gets one week at fathers day, one week during the summer. (the 3rd week is his week at christmas).
Our attorneys have done nothing but ass kissing IMO (to each other), and so we are pro se as soon as we can get this atty to withdraw. Its a mess.
So, we have it set up right now for the current stipulation to be clarified at the final hearing, and anything they dont agree on before it goes to final hearing, the judge has reserved jurisdiction on all matters, not just particular areas, so he will decide anything they cant resolve.
She doesnt want him to have him one single day more than the agreement states now, she doesnt want him to have summers, the only thing she wants to change are the exchange times. Currently it states excahnges take place on fri at 5 pm and mon at 9 am. She wants it changed to fri at 5 pm and sun at 5 pm (b/c 9 am excahnges mean we leave at 5 am). SG is willing to return him sundays at 5 pm and has so far, but wants to get him thurs at 5 pm or friday at noon to compensate.
Shes refusing.
And as i mentioned, she proposed a set of dates, he accepted them, she refused to sign off on them. Those will be the dates we ask for in the final hearing. There are more than 14 weekends though, (16?) and it follows every 3rd weekend thing. But, were afraid the judge is going to say, no - you agreed to 14 you only get 14 unless you petition to modify, even if that is what she proposed.
So... well see. Ive done pro se on my custody/visitation/CS case, but he has not so far, and is not as confident about it as i am.
Do folks here seem to do prose a lot, and are they generally successfull as long as they are well prepared and well informed of the statutes and procedures? Cause ive got the statutes and procedures pretty much down pat.
Rain...
Currently it states excahnges take place on fri at 5 pm and mon at 9 am. She wants it changed to fri at 5 pm and sun at 5 pm (b/c 9 am excahnges mean we leave at 5 am).
While I understand this I am assuming the child is very young ( not in school yet) ... he will want the Monday at 9am so he can be involved with the school IMHO.
there is a very standard visitation in some states ... have you checked into that?
I would also want some clause that the order will change as time goes on and child gets older...
sounds like he is taking an offer that truelly sucks for him and this child ...kids need both parents as much as possible ...
Right now the child is 19 months old. So obviously not in school yet, but even once he is, being involved with the school wont matter with that exchange time, since the 9 am exchange takes place at a halfway point and they live 8 hours apart.
9 am excahnges right now have us leaving the house at 5 am to be at the xchange on time, which isnt the best for the child right now, esp at his age.
BothSides
what state are you in?
Florida
I have read your situation and I am very sorry. I don't understand how mom's think it is right to keep children away from their father's.
In my opinion, you have bent over backwards. You have made offers that they have agreed to but never signed. And still. . .she is denying time and causing scenes. You and the child don't need this aggravation. You need things spelled out in writing so that there is never a question. A well written court agreement is the backbone of normal relations with the ex -- everyone can refer to it to see what they are suppose to do.
I live 4 1/2 hours from my stepson. His mom moved him away when he was about 1. So, I've done long-distance with a toddler. My ss is now 10. So, he has grown up with it. He has a good relationship with all 4 of his parents, but it took us getting over these humps. She claimed separtation anxiety once and said he couldn't come at all without her. Then when we were getting over that, she claimed that we were pulling him from activities and friend's birthday parties there. So, I know your pain.
It sounds like your lawyer is on his way out. You can do it pro se. Just take it one step at a time and document, document, document. I think you have enough to file for a significant change of circomstances and request more time. What you have outlined is not enough for a real relationship with dad.
One other thing that we did until my stepson was in school was that we always had him for a minimum of 3 days. It didn't make sense to only have two days with him and have him on the road back to back.
I would question your exchange time on Christmas Day. It seems with an 8 hour drive that he doesn't get to have Christmas anywhere. You will notice that ours is set up not to exchange on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day. We did that to avoid travel conflicts. We were orginally rotating Christmas and rotating Thanksgiving, but she insisted on having him every Christmas so we have him every Christmas.
Here are parts of our parenting plan -- some of it could be adapted to work for you:
A. xxx shall spend every other weekend while school is in session with his Father from the day school is out at 7 PM until the day before school resumes at 4 PM. Unless it is mutually agreed upon in writing by both parties by August 1st, xxx's weekends with his Father will begin two weeks before Labor Day weekend.
B. xxxx shall spend 7 weeks of the summer with his Father.
Unless it is mutually agreed upon in writing by both parties by May 10th
a) xxx will spend one week with his Father beginning the Friday following Memorial Day.
b) xxx will spend two weeks with his Father beginning the Friday before Father's Day.
c) xxx will spend two weeks with his Father beginning the 2nd Friday in July.
d) xxx will spend two weeks with his Father beginning the 5th Friday in July (or the 1st Friday in August if there is no 5th Friday in July).
C. Unless otherwise agreed, the Parents will meet at the xxxxx Wal-Mart to begin and end parenting time.
D. It is understood the times each Parent shall be with xxx can be modified by mutual agreement of the Parents. Such modifications are to be made in writing. It is understood that partial or reduced parenting time is more beneficial to xxx than no parenting time. Should valid reason occur, such that one Parent is not able to exercise his/her entire parenting/vacation time or custodial period with xxx, make up time shall be allowed and agreed upon in writing. Both parents shall cooperate in supplying xxx with the full advantage of time with the other Parent. At no time, will parenting time be arranged in such a way that xxx spends more than 2 weekends in a row with either parent.
E. The parents agree to the following Holiday and Vacation schedule. Holidays, vacations, and special days will have priority over the regular schedule.
a) All school holidays that fall on Friday or Monday, not otherwise specified will be spent with the Parent having xxxx on that weekend.
b) xxxx will spend each Labor Day weekend with his Father beginning on the last day of school and continuing until the evening before school resumes at 4 PM.
c) xxxx will spend each Fall Break weekend with his Mother beginning on the last day of school and continuing until the evening before school resumes at 4 PM.
d) xxxx will spend each Thanksgiving Break with his Father beginning on the last day of school and continuing until the evening before school resumes at 4 PM.
e) xxxx will spend the Christmas period from December 23 at 4 PM to December 30 at 4 PM with his Mother.
f) xxxx will spend the non-holiday time of his Christmas break with his Father beginning on the last day of school and continuing until December 23 and beginning on December 30 and continuing until the evening before school resumes at 4 PM.
g) Spring Break vacation: xxxx will spend 7 days of his Spring Break vacation with his Father.
h) Easter vacation: xxx will alternate Easter weekend between the parents beginning on the last day of school and continuing until the evening before school resumes at 4 PM. His Father will have xxxx during the even numbered years. His Mother will have xxxx during the odd numbered years.
i) xxx will spend each Mother's Day weekend with his Mother.
j) xxx will spend each Father's Day weekend with his Father.
k) xxx will spend each Memorial Day weekend with his Mother.
l) xxx will spend each 4th of July weekend with his Mother.
Sorry, i had to change names! My email got screwed up so I cant even retrieve my p/w and it was easier to just create a new login.
Anyways, this parenting plan sounds good. We may try to adopt parts of it b/c even though my SS is only 19 months, itll take the next 3 1/2 yrs to get a new schedule in place for when he starts school.
Im glad to hear that someone has a good relationship with their child with such distance between them.
We have an 8 hour drive between us, so im not sure that every other weekend will work during the school year, we may keep the every 3rd weekend or even one weekend a month, well see.
Thanks! We are pretty nervous about how our DH's Son will be affected as he gets older wtih such distance between them.
TwoBoys/BothSides....
because at some point it does become harder, when he is in activities etc.
We talk every once in a while about needing to move closer. There was an opportunity to a couple of years ago, but we were afraid that it would make the tension worse. We need the support of our families here when our children are young and I didn't want to move to bm's home turf and be completely isolated to get eow and one night a week. But probably when he is in middle school / high school we might be moving.
We decided long ago to make sure that the distance wasn't a deterrent. We drive like crazy and we have never cancelled an opportunity for my ss to come (except when my grandma died) even when the transportation was a hardship on us and we should have. We didn't let road conditions, illness or bm's whim cancel our time without fighting for make-up time. Our families have thought we were nuts at times, but it is what was necessary in our mind to have a relationship.
I posted on the visitation board ideas to a custodial step mom who has a kindergartner who does long distance travel. During the school year there are regular school breaks built into the school calendar. A lot of them aren't tied to emotional holidays but rather to "President's Day" and in-services. You could probably see him once a month for a long weekend if bm would give those times up.
Other things that you could do to make the distance easier on a toddler (but they require help from bm.)
1. Call regularly. It seems pointless at 19 months but hearing Dad's voice on the phone helps. Plus, you want to establish the habit of regular phone visits. Plus, you might find out important info from bm about sleep habits, favorite games, potty training success etc. in casual conversation.
2. Send packages, cards, letters. I get really goofy in the collection of stuff we used to send. I would eat kid's meals so we would have the little toys. I would find cheap books and magazines at garage sales and book sales. We would color him pictures! I have a drawer of cards, stickers and fun stuff just so ss can get some mail from us. Usually the postage costs more than the contents. (By the way, I do all the work, but dh gets all the credit -- he writes the cards and signs all of our names.)
3. When ss was so small we asked bm about his routines and favorite games and tried to replicate some of that at our house so that he was comfortable. We even bought the same Pooh comforter he had at her house.
4. Include in the packages (if bm will work with you) little photo books of pictures. Take pictures on your time with ss that tell a story and send them. "Daddy and Billy feeding the ducks" "I sure had fun swinging in the park with you" etc.
5. Finally, (and this one requires a lot of help from bm) purchase a kid friendly tape player and then send audio "letters". You can read books over the tape player, say I love you, play music and talk about things in your home. etc. You can mail the books along with the tape so that he can follow along -- or just ask bm to play it at bedtime etc.
Part of the reason we have such a good relationship is we have built so many connections and family traditions and they are centered around the time that ss is here. Sometimes I feel like we are "Disney" parents but it is really just trying to cram all the family stuff into the time ss is here.
How to TRY & Grow a Warm Relationship with your Child
http://www.deltabravo.net/custody/growing.htm
Sorry, again for the change of name, i cant find that silly password!
Thanks for all the advice. It gets so frustrating at times.
Weve tried all of these, but right now, its so difficult.
For example:
1. Call regularly - we do and she hangs up. We ask how hes doing she says "FINE", we ask any other questions and get one word answers, usually with her finally saying "Hes fine, OK!? Hes fine with me, everythings fine. quit bothering us". When we ask to speak to SS she says "SS - phone call" and of course since she doesnt even say "daddys on the phone" he wont come and so she ends up saying "SS wont come to phone, sorry, guess he doesnt want to talk to you".
2. Send packages - weve tried and she refuses them. We tried sending one home at the end of an exchange - she refused it. She has said that anything that comes from him must have something to do with me, and that she wants nothing in her house that has anything to do with him or me.
3. Routines and games - weve tried, and she usually in turn asks why were asking, dont we know anything about kids, if we were good parents, wed know what he likes already without asking her,etc. Once we asked what he likes to do at night, and it turne dinto her asking us what he does here at night, and she in turn threatened to call CPS because we said he likes playing with my 6 yr old son - she said 19 month olds shouldnt be playing with 6 yr olds. She also threw a fit becuase they now share a room, and claims thats neglect and emotional abuse. Sigh.
4. Photos and pictures - she refuses to allow that as well. The SPA says hes allowed to have one photo in his room of his father, and thats all she allows, and we doubt that even exists because he shares a room with her.
5. tape player - same thing - she says she shouldnt be forced to listen to his voice and that we cant make her listen to his voice.
So... i dont know what else to do. We plan to start trying to enforce and fight some of those things in court with her, but we cant even do that until we have our final hearing.
We received an email today btw, reminding us that he is a horrible father for letting their son share a room, making him sleep with the light off, and that it is emotional abuse, and that she loves her son more than well ever understand and because of that, she will fight to the "bitter end" to make sure he has as little to do with us as possible.
Im at a loss.
:(
TwoBoys/BothSides
My ideas worked because our bm truly loves her son and wants what is best for him. Our battles have been over time -- we all want him with us as much as possible. So we clash over that, but never over what is best for him.
Your bm has problems and sounds very angry. If she truly loved her son she would help in making his life good, even if it meant forstering a relationship with his father.
You can't legislate some of this stuff. When the child is so small -- 19 months -- you need a cooperative parent on the other end. The courts can't make her behave nicely. Maybe counseling would help, but I am not sure. I am very sorry.
On the six year old and 19 month old sharing a room -- I know I don't have to tell you this, but she is a loon. Many kids share rooms and are not abused. My 2 1/2 year old shares a room with my 9 y.o. ss. They get along just fine. My 2 1/2 year old adores his big sister (6) and they play together very well -- most of the time. Sure he can be a pest, but she is very caring and looks out for him. Sibling relationships should be fostered and not discouraged.
Just keep fighting for time with your ss. Take the high road at all times and stay focused on what is best for him. You will be fine. You can have a long distance relationship and it will get better as he gets older.
Thanks, im just frustrated b/c my fiance and i are on opposite sides of the same coin. My sons father wont have anything to do with him and despite all the crap hes put me through (refusing to pay CS, etc) ive always encouraged a relationship. And trust me - hes put me through a lot.
But, hopefully things will get better with time. Hes going to try suggesting counseling for them all at the final hearing. She'll refuse, which will only make her look worse.
The judge has already ripped into her, but unforutunately, the cases here are so overloaded im sure the judge doesnt remember her from one hearing to the next lol.
Its really hard and really frustrating. Whats worse is the effect on their son. She got furious at the last exchange because as he handed him to her, their son pointed at DH and said "DA da" in a way like "hey mom... this is my dad!". She was pissed! lol.
Oh well. And as far as the room thing, It is ridiculous. When he had his own room (I recently sold my house and we moved into an apt with all these legal bills), she had a fit about that. He was being "abandoned", "neglected" and "left all alone locked away". sigh. We cant win for losing. Weve learned that NO MATTER WHAT we say, shell find fault in it.
We even had an incident where we were doing an exchange in a different town, we suggested the Wendys right off the exit of the Interstate. SHe refused, saying she wasnt taking her kid and dropping him off in the parking lot of "some FAST FOOD restaraunt" and couldnt believe what kind of parents we were to even suggest it.
So at her insistence, we exchanged at the Tom Thumb 3 miles off the exit lol. The next time she was in town, we suggested the Tom Thumb, and same thing: She wasnt dropping her kid off in the parking lot of some GAS STATION! How dare we suggest that! lol. So we exchanged at the Whataburger across from the Wendys wed originally suggested, again at her insistence.
See what I mean? I swear its all a big game to her. I really feel bad for her, and Ive tried very hard to work with her. Occasionally when shes called Ive answered the phone and tried asking how SS was doing and told her that she was doing a great job raising him (even if i did have to bite my tongue lol) - she gives me crap, and says Im harassing her.
*Shrug*
Im glad you guys have a much better relatoinship though. Gives us some hope. I just dont see ours ever gettnig to that point.
TwoBoys...
don't set the exchange up for a place she can shop at. LOL Our bm sometimes shows up early and then it takes us a 1/2 hour wondering around the store trying to find her! LOL She didn't want to meet at McDonald's because, "there is nothing to do there" and "I have to go to Target anyway". Interestingly though, we always end up going through the drive thru of McD's on the way out of town because my ss will have not have eaten supper -- even if we exchange at 8 PM.
I have to ask. . . is your ss "inspected" and "de-germed" upon return at the end of an exchange? I remember when ss was ripped from our arms and she was armed with wipe-ies and started giving him a sponge bath in the parking lot. Or the time she arrived and pushed dh out of the way because he was "changing the diaper wrong."
I am glad we are passed that.
I have tried to avoid answering the phone because it makes my heart race; I get so nervous. She has pulled some major crap in the past and I just can't get past those memories. It always hits out of the blue. So, if at all possible I make dh deal with everything. (Although sometimes I admit that curiosity gets the best of me.)
The more I hear your story the more I think you need to ask for at least 1 week a month. I don't know your work situation and if you have daycare available etc. , but just 14 weekends a year is crap. Especially when she is doing nothing else to facillitate a relationship with Dad from her end.
It isn't cruel. Your ss has two homes and kids adapt. The next 3 years until he is in school is invaluable time for you and your family to lay a foundation for a relationship to take you through the school years.
Relationships get better with a well written court document that everyone can fall back on that has everything spelled out. The other thing that helps is years of constant routine of taking the parenting time. She knows we aren't going away, and at this point my ss would never let us. That is what has saved us.
I have to agree with Kimberly that at the final hearing asking to for one week a month may be the best situation.
Something to the effect: Petitioner and Respondent met, came to an agreement for parenting time to which the Mother has blatantly ignored. Therefore our request is to have the second week of each month begining on the second Friday of each month at 5pm and ending on the following Friday at 5pm. With this schedule remaining in effect until the child enters Kindergarten.
Thanks, Ill let DH know to keep this in mind.
We were originally ordered one week a month, it was only changed b/c she was denying visitation, and we wanted SOMETHING - ANYTHING, and at the time, she was offering every 3rd weekend, where she provided transportation. Since then, i guess she broke up with her b/f in the area, and now we meet halfway (the agmt didnt specify).
The reason she was denying visitation was b/c we work all week, and she didnt want him in daycare. She said if we didnt take off that week (we cant take off 12 weeks a year, not even with us alternating - we work for the same company), then she would invoke her first right of refusal, and wouldnt allow us to have him in daycare during the week, he might as well just be in S. Florida with her... it was pure hell.
And yes, we face the degerming thing too lol. She runs up, throws her arms around him, and goes "oh poor little man, im soooo sorry, i misssed you sooooo much, dont worry, mommys here, oh poor baby".
Its such a scene... we just roll our eyes.
Anyways, well see about the one weeka month at the final hearing. hopefully itll work out that way. Im not sure how the judge will respond since the stipulation that gives him 14 weekends per year is already ordered and the final hearing is just to clarify a few "outstanding issues".
TwoBoys...