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Father's Issues / the basic process
« on: Jan 23, 2004, 12:52:12 AM »
there is a process . Here In wah state they appoint a Guardian ad litem . Its a document at the court , You may want to check this out in your state , Or the state of jurisdiction . The Guardian ad Litem Is appoint to investigate on behalf of the minor child , For the following reason's
    1 , It is damaging to children to testify in court , Becuase all are there and the child is , In a position to make a choice between parents , The GAL reports to the court
  2 the judge does not have time to go out and investigate , And get all the facts , So they appoiont a GAL To report back to the judge , the GAl will listen to the story ,
   3 Guardian ad Litems are appointed based on the fact that the atty's argue for the paying parent , And the GAL's Have been implemented to eliminate the sole interests of slick atty;s , And to represent the childs best interest ,
     GAL's are not always the sharpest nor is there much of a training rquirement for them , But In general they work , And the Judges generally listen to them , Its in the judges best interest So they don't like give the kids to a ax murederer etc , The GAL can recomend drug testing evaluations and etc , So My strong advice is go find out at Your court .
   There are ways to do this ,
    1 Call the court and ask . Pen and paper in hand , Is there a time when atty's help pro se litigants at the court ?
   2 Call BAr association and ask for atty's that help pro se
   3 Search this site for state specific papers , they are on here I just cant recall where but spens some time looking
  4 Type in pro se repesentation in the search bar, Get state specific info
 5 Type in superior court [Your court ] And look through the site diligantly
  6 Call child support and ask if they have a handout Booklet for low cost legal aid . Call every number , Pen and paper in hand .You would be surprised all the info that is catered to support recipients ,
   Type     northwest justice project       in the search bar for an example Of wash state self help sites
   Don't give up ! Even If you can't find all these sites and fail at every thing go to the court early in the morning and talk to a judge ,
   I know a guy that did that And the judgegave him his kids .
   Go file a parenting plan with you as the custodial parent . Mom has to show or you can file a default order later and get custody , Scroll over and click or double click '  parenting plan  '  this site will take you there
   
   Next If you can get the child Back If  there has been no custody decree , And You can prove there has been mother abandonment ti the GAl then the GAl will report this to the Judge , The child will tell the GAl where she Has been living etc , I think you have a great chance of keeping the child , Just from appointing a GAl

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Father's Issues / RE: Please, need some help and advice.
« on: Jan 13, 2004, 11:34:17 PM »
 Check this out !  This is something that People fail to realize !! You could pay an atty 20,000  or 3,000 And get the same result . Let me tell Ya the story ,
    I fired two atty's One because of my impatience , One fro a damn good reason
     But I did a lot of reading and I can't remmember where I read this But I have verified this with a number of people Including attys
    Years ago the court let atty's battle out these Custody cases . the court , Sort of wised up and came up with the Guardian ad Litem program .
   The reason Is because atty's were fighting for the paying client to win , And The allegations were a flying , And trickery was deep ,
  The Court began appointing Guardian ad Litems On behalf of minor children , So they could get a report on the best interest of the children . And the rest is the current legal system , Now the wierd thing is the Guardian ad Litems are Not Highly trained people ,There is like a 28 hour course ,
   So Here Is what the basics are , In any custody case the Judge is very likely to do what the GAL say's to do , I have a friend that actuaklly fired his atty and went to the judge himself and got custody   To get to the point , I figured this out , and My Psycho did not and she dumped 20,000$ into an atty and I spent 3,000 $ Welll All this didn't matter , We tried the case and the judge went with the GAL report, I Really did not have a chance for custody , But we took her stupid ass to trial just in case There could be a fluke or she screwed up in front of the judge , What really happened is the psycho did not have one witness or report or any thing to substantiate her allegations , , And we went through psych evals and the whole nine yards , When you mention psych Evals You don't even understand the dynamics behind the whole science , First exceptin the case of a REAL delusional , Psych evals are VERY VERY subjective , And you can lie to them . My psycho lied her @$$ off !! I told the truth ! And Because she went and told a Mary poppins story , I came out bad , and she came out bad with me judged as worse , Now the whole process is subjective to The GAL opinion , This is an  individual that may be Biased or wierd , And is not very well trained , However the most important report to the judge is from the GAL , So before You even attemptthis whole thing , I can say from being on the other side And through trial , This whole thing Is a comedy of errors , And You need to be soooo prepared to make yourself out to be perfect , And Play the game of slander on her In a practically inconspicous manner , ,
   Here is why ,   Waky custodial parents like the one you describe are desparate when it comes to custody , And they will play this out with precision,
   But the real kicker is this Go watch a couple of custody trials at the court , Its open to the public , And you will really see that atty's really don't do much ,  I can't tell you how important it is to watch a trial before embarking on this mission , But secondly I say Just say there have been some problems that the child has been expressing and get a GAL appopinted and see if you can persuade the GAL to recommend a change of custody , If you get the GAl report in your favor or not Then ire an atty , Ya Think My 3,000 was cheap !Well let me tell ya , Her 20K wasnt . And I will say her atty didn't do Much for 20K And Guess what My atty didn't iether , There isn't much to this family law thing , My atty tells me this All the time , Its just fileing the papers , And working through the GAL process , I'm Not trying to get you to make a decision , But if I had this to do Again , I would got to the court and appoint a GAL  , This takes a few months forthe whole process , And I would watch a few trials , And do it My self , GO WATCH A TRIAL  And be really unimpressed with the family law he said she said , and then Watch the judge fall asleep on a boring atty,

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Father's Issues / congrats!!
« on: Jan 13, 2004, 10:57:54 PM »
I have never went pro se , But let Me tell ya I have paid for it . Atty's Have more or less screwed up my case . Most of the good i got was when I had an atty let me stand there next to him and give answers , Or told Him what to say , I know now that I have had the factual answers to  FEW THINGS  that My second . fired atty did not ,And did not let me tell him the answers At court, , Actually My first atty wasn;t bad , He would have me stand there next to him ,At any rate what I guess I'm trying to say is Well done ,  
My current atty say's Guys can do well pro se based on the fact that they know there case  Better than any one else!.
    Yippee !!  

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As I understand it He can go to Child support and have a review of His Income ,Based On change of circumstance , It is vitaly important that He respond to this . If the coourt order has been Made By a judge , Then It can't be changed By child support < WASH STATE > Happened to Me But then three Years later child support has notified me that there will be a review , But again It won't take place Because We Just went to trial and there will be another court order that overdides child support ,A friend of mine went to the judge w/out an atty , And got his licence back , By showing his income and Telling the judge that He Has to drive to work ,  If He Is self employed then He needs to spend some money with his book keeper Before he goes any where with this ,Before You go blow a bunch of money on an atty , I would first go talk to support enforcement , they May help him He may have no other alternative than to get an atty , I would Interview several atty's before hiring any atty , I got screwed because My first atty did not understand self employed tax returns and was un able to help me ,

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Father's Issues / Your son needs a plan !
« on: Jan 05, 2004, 10:07:08 PM »
Peanuts dad is right , Your son messed up . Now he has to play the game that the court will lay in front of him . The good thing is that the judge saw through it And gave him visits , With a restriction on how close he gets to Mom ,
   Here Is A suggested plan , He will have to find Mom some how ,She likely to be running around flashing the guilty plea , Getting relatives to help her hide ,
   Again I speak from the cases I know ,
    A fellow Man I knew had a similar case and regained visitation .
   He did it By Improving himself in the waiting period .
   I suggest Son gets the anger management class going ,
 And keeps a job < gets a place and has the toys and childs things all prepared
   I will give you an excerpt of what  the judge said to My friend who improved himself in the waiting period
     Mr , Dad Has taken steps to improve himself , Mom Has not changed any thing , Dad gets overnight visits
    Here is an excerpt from My first GAL report ,
      Mr Gipsy . Has a room with toys etc and a bed waiting for the chance to have his son over , I GAL , See no reaSON  why this child should not be afforded a father ,The mom makes allegations And there is no proof ,
   Thats what you have to do comply and get ready , If he does nothing the judge will be likely to  have a report that say's ,
   Dad did nothing and there has been no change , Supervised visits !
I did have support from My family they went out and got a childs bed . And all the stuff I needed , Then notified me that this wasn't free , And I had to pay them Back , Gee's I thought they were giving it all for free , BUT !! I needed them to help me get ready for a kid ! Moms can do that part , Moms know what is needed , The end result was good The GAL came by and looked at My house and the toys , This whole process plays itself out , And Is way simpler than you think , I was in a quandry about the whole thing , And to tell the truth Even trial in front of the judge was way simple , As My atty say's again and again , These are not complicated cases , This is not a complex legal issue ,  what was noted and abserved by the system and the judge in the finality of it all was way less than I ever expected , It really is simple if your son does something to her again ,it will be simple to the judge , If he cooperates it will be simple to the judge !!,

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Father's Issues / Ever Try a credit report ?
« on: Jan 05, 2004, 09:36:35 PM »
I Went online to get a CREDIT HISTORY, of My own Of course ? What I noticed was That There was No check to verify who asked for the credit report . I could be desparate if My child was away . The reporting agencies are on the net , Any one ever try that one ? If you have some one elses Bday an SS I wonder if they would send the credit history .A credit history shows If you apply for credit and the address you give ,

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Father's Issues / try posting on Soc's board
« on: Jan 05, 2004, 12:36:50 AM »
Soc's board answers legal questions

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Father's Issues / right!!
« on: Jan 03, 2004, 04:40:52 AM »
At first it seems to be that as a DAd You don't have any rights !! And to a degree , You don't , But to a degree there are a number of rights that Dads do have , Soo First off , Yes you feel so beat by this , But I always tell people , There is a process for every state  Some vary but in general . I will say what happens in < Wash state ,
   This is My story in  General terms to be brief
     False allegations [like the psycho's invented this )
  Went to see the commissioner for temp orders , In wash state you see a commissioner for temp orders for child suppoert and visitation ,
    In Wa state the commissioner will do nothing for the Dads visits when there are Allegations , But they will make the Dad pay child support , So hERE WHEN YOU GO  to the commissioner for temp orders You also file the papers for the appointment of A Guardian Ad Litem .  Highlite the word      Guardian Ad Litem    and click or double click it and this site will explain what a GAL Is ,    So what Your son needs is to know that He will feel beat down If he doesn't know that the commissioner will do nothing for Him untill  The commissioner see's a GAL report . So Son Has to file the papers to appoint a GAL , That Is simple He can go to a Parrelegal
        Let Me give you suggestions on what he can do Here in Pierce county wash
   Type In Your search bar       Northwest Justice project    That will take you to a site that has family law packets , , try to find such a site for your state ,
   Also this site has an area where they have legal papers for All states , You can down load them . I never used them
       Next call the court  And ask if there is a time when atty's help pro se litigants file papers they do it here , you just stand in line and they help ,
    Call a parrelegal they can  help file the papers, But he has to go talk to the judge or commissioner ,  Basically all he has to say Is he wants to see the child . Tell Him not to make up a story or tell anystory to the commissioner , When He Files for the GAl the GAL will report to The commissioner, He should also be filing a declaration To support his Appointment of a GAL . Make sure It say;'s this is at a split fee , Mom pays half , And tell Him to ask for atty fee's because she is making up stories , If He doesn;t say No to all the fee's  really have been abused , So the court has to check this out ,
  But then again Once in front of a commissioner , The commissioner ask me My Bday , Etc and looked right there in the computer , Then told the other Idiot atty , Mr XXXX doesn't have a record , So there could be a Little problem since he plead the case , But again and again I say , All he has to do Is take an anger management class and convincethem That He is now a better man and get a good report and that will soon be in the past , Keep posting , But clarify what the heck you are saying , .
    And remmember Once in court is nnot the end , Its just the wonderfull beginning , What Ever he does tell your son not to react to any thing she does , This is clear cut intimidation , They want to cause a fight and then play the victim , It works for them very well , Don't get caught up in it
    Next I had watched a case where the dad was accused and the GAL reported that the mom was a perpetrater of the violence , And Dad had completed a Anger management class so the court accepts this as good on dads half , And dad won custody ,
     

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Father's Issues / right!!
« on: Jan 03, 2004, 04:40:52 AM »
At first it seems to be that as a DAd You don't have any rights !! And to a degree , You don't , But to a degree there are a number of rights that Dads do have , Soo First off , Yes you feel so beat by this , But I always tell people , There is a process for every state  Some vary but in general . I will say what happens in < Wash state ,
   This is My story in  General terms to be brief
     False allegations [like the psycho's invented this )
  Went to see the commissioner for temp orders , In wash state you see a commissioner for temp orders for child suppoert and visitation ,
    In Wa state the commissioner will do nothing for the Dads visits when there are Allegations , But they will make the Dad pay child support , So hERE WHEN YOU GO  to the commissioner for temp orders You also file the papers for the appointment of A Guardian Ad Litem .  Highlite the word      Guardian Ad Litem    and click or double click it and this site will explain what a GAL Is ,    So what Your son needs is to know that He will feel beat down If he doesn't know that the commissioner will do nothing for Him untill  The commissioner see's a GAL report . So Son Has to file the papers to appoint a GAL , That Is simple He can go to a Parrelegal
        Let Me give you suggestions on what he can do Here in Pierce county wash
   Type In Your search bar       Northwest Justice project    That will take you to a site that has family law packets , , try to find such a site for your state ,
   Also this site has an area where they have legal papers for All states , You can down load them . I never used them
       Next call the court  And ask if there is a time when atty's help pro se litigants file papers they do it here , you just stand in line and they help ,
    Call a parrelegal they can  help file the papers, But he has to go talk to the judge or commissioner ,  Basically all he has to say Is he wants to see the child . Tell Him not to make up a story or tell anystory to the commissioner , When He Files for the GAl the GAL will report to The commissioner, He should also be filing a declaration To support his Appointment of a GAL . Make sure It say;'s this is at a split fee , Mom pays half , And tell Him to ask for atty fee's because she is making up stories , If He doesn;t say No to all the fee's  really have been abused , So the court has to check this out ,
  But then again Once in front of a commissioner , The commissioner ask me My Bday , Etc and looked right there in the computer , Then told the other Idiot atty , Mr XXXX doesn't have a record , So there could be a Little problem since he plead the case , But again and again I say , All he has to do Is take an anger management class and convincethem That He is now a better man and get a good report and that will soon be in the past , Keep posting , But clarify what the heck you are saying , .
    And remmember Once in court is nnot the end , Its just the wonderfull beginning , What Ever he does tell your son not to react to any thing she does , This is clear cut intimidation , They want to cause a fight and then play the victim , It works for them very well , Don't get caught up in it
    Next I had watched a case where the dad was accused and the GAL reported that the mom was a perpetrater of the violence , And Dad had completed a Anger management class so the court accepts this as good on dads half , And dad won custody ,
     

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Father's Issues / BEEN THERE DONE THAT LISTEN UP!!
« on: Jan 01, 2004, 01:18:42 AM »
 I had a similar situation for a lack of enthusiasm I will not list the details . I will just tell you the end results , And the actions of the court and why , And why you now need to interview Many atty's
   And the consensus of many men I Have run into that have encountered this ,
  All this is related to  Wash state . And Is most likely similar to where you are . If you can't get an atty that will basically explain this, As I will move on to the next atty , And don't just go give some shit head atty 25,000 Because this psycho has lined up with every other psycho out there and thinks that she Has invented allegations , All the psycho's like this are the same ,My story, the psycho told me similar bullshit from the beginning about how she alway's wanted to be with  a guy like me < BLAH BLAH , OK get it,? I can probably read her mind for you because I have been through this ,
     Basically , If the attys don't explain, As my atty did like this !!
   First the judge probably doesn't really believe this crap from the beginning because this is a paternity case , Second , Now It is fairly well known that Child protective services won't even look into it when they figure that this Is a domestic relations /paternity case , Ok the court is aware of this big epidemic , Its just that the judge doesn't have time to go out and research this situation, SOOOO they have to make a call . that call has to be a safe call , Its not really against you . they just don't want to be in the news papers for letting and AX murderer see the kids etc . [Name the allegation) So now the court started Using what they call Guardian ad Litems . These persons are appointed to investigate On behalf of Minor children . And report to the judge . When the judge gets the report then The Judge will make another call
   So My case , The GAL report said No police report " No witness and no evidence to Her allegations , And suggested a parenting plan for My visitations , the shit head was a difficult bitch through out . So this crap drug on for 2 years and I got another GAL appointed And fired 2 atty's in the process .
  the very most important thing you can do right now is atty selection,
 
  [ Basically you need an atty that just talks to you like a real human .]
 If you interview an atty they should say some very realkistic things and not try to scare the shit out of you And then ask you for 25K, I hope you did not give it to him ,Yes its a serious allegation , But if you look up sodomy Its really homosexuality , thats not against the law any way ,

  When I went through this at first I was all wacked out and wanted My
atty to depose the bitch etc , He just laughed , I was not sure this was a good atty . What I did not realise is that this is standard procedure for this type of situation [with a psycho] And He would not depose her or any thing , What I did not know was what would happen with the commissioner , So we went to A commissioner with out a GAL report , And the commissioner gave me supervised visits , then we got the GAl report in front of the commissioner and then I got a parenting plan , Don't get all bent about it, You will get a couple of 2 hour sessions etc , Just make damn sure Your atty say's no to her asking for atty fee's and that the GAL and the supervised visits are a split cost Because she is Making all the false allegations , Thats what My atty did , And she had to Pay half ,
     I would say talk to a bunch of attys , And have all the reports from the police and her statements with you and see what they will do , You will get to an atty that will say things that make sense , DO NOT HIRE  an atty that talks a bunch of big talk bull shit , Just one that states the law , And what You can do , There is really not much to this, its going to boil down to She said He said < Soo Get a look at the reports etc . Talk to a few attys . I would even suggest [ Now that You are out, go talk to the prosecuter , Maybe see if the other [fathers will go ] My case they won't because they were soooo GLAD that she was out of there life that they Didn't want ANY further to do with her < And She will try to turn any thing you do around on you any way , I garuntee it , So Don't do any thing to her or her friends etc . Keep in mind you have one goal , You want the child to have a DAD and go on with your life ,
    To Cut the whole story short , I hired the atty that made sense , At first he did not make sense because I had 2 previous atty's , One was a real good talker etc , >>> Basically I was confused Because I did not know the law , And the whole atty process Is for the Atty to know the law , And explain that to you . I guaruntee it will be very little , there isn't a hell of a lot to this type of crap Its all he said she said ,
     SOO the end is My good atty said , [AFter ] the GAL report was done , " Set a trial date and get her ass in the court room , Well really the whole story ends with this , During the GAL investigation she made up every allegation she could ,
   When we got to court she did not have ONE 1 Not one witness to ANYTHING PERIOD , Now I knew Because I personally went to the court and watched MY ATTY that His strength is cross examination of the witness ,  He relies on this , Well It shocked us both when she showed with no witness period, and her tune changed and she was now being victimized By me the BAd guy dragging her into court , So We went back to some of her earlier pleadings and Brought up all the allegations. and gave the judge a picture of why we were there , So In her lying She ran up a huge atty bill , Of wich the judge did not give them Any atty fee's , BUT I will again stress that the judge really did not even listen to all the He said she said , get use to it , most likely This will be like My case and Many others I know of . And this is standard procedure , The only thing I could sayIs if I was ever to go through your situation or mine again I would probably laugh at her face and say see ya In court dumbass ,,  I also challenge you to call that atty back and say where does it say In the law that   I could get 20 Years to life in prison for sodomy , Sodomy is homo sexuual acts , Or is she saying you Gave it to her in the brown Eye forcibly? , then If you did there would be a sign , like she would have went to a rape clinic or something , Listen to Me Get a damn atty that tells you Before He say's any thing about 25k What He will do first , After having been through similar allegations I believe the atty probably asked you if you have Money etc . And tried to scare it out of you . I haven;t had quite that allegation .But there is always some sort of proof , Again If you look at the case  report or have an atty look at it And it say;s " Psycho went to the rape clinic after talking to police and there was sperm up her ass , And you were called in for genetic testing And this was your sperm ,I would say the atty could justify 25k ,  then I would say she likes to take it up the @  But it is more likely that this did not happen Or you would not have bailed out and wouldn't be posting and the judge would not have dropped the PO , GET IT !! the judge already doesn't believe it, or you would be down doing genetic testing [ CALM DOWN ] aND START  making your best move next ,and that move is to talk to atty's , the night in jail means nothing . The police just believed her . I would Ask an atty to check out the police report etc, well before I ever gave any atty 25 K , This will be likely to be dropped by the prosecuter ,If there is no report from the rape clinic or hospital , The first question that You atty will be likely to ask during cross examination is ," did you go to a hospital and is there a report from the hostpital?
  If you want to pay 25K for that then go ahead , I bet thats all the atty will do the other thing he can do is get the reports , And depose her stupid ass , thats it , Again I have been through this and , I hate to say this, the judge won't even care that she made this crap up , They will probably not even want to hear it ,   My Email   g6ips3y@hotmail.com
 
   

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