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Ahmen ! Some else gets it, I am the working stiff ! And didn't have the proper words used , But You put it very well , And I was told By many , Including My atty , Whom tried to persuade me to not even take the tests for the reason you state , These tests are subjective . Many people an here think because these evaluaters hit a few  nails on the head about there past these tests really work , Well let me tell ya , I can get a few right about people just because I am forty two , and have lived a bit . It doesn't take a psychiatrist to figure out if some one is a bit disfunctional

Maybe she got a decent atty that told her to cooperate . My Psycho Had a real jerk for an atty , But he did advise her to cooperate with the parenting plan . But made a ton of money from frivolous crap . She asked for $20,000 In atty fee's at trial , She didn't get it ,

Yeah that part is right , Ya get the parenting plan started ASAP . And a court ordered Parenting plan , That would be a good reason to file , But it gave no advantage to division of property ,

I think people that have not taken the test do not realise why I put info in my post stateing , I think they are a joke , Its not how many questons there is or what they may show , Its very subjective , My atty stressed this , And tried to divert the whole thing , Atty told me the tests are accepted as subjective by the court , And unless someone  is really wacked they don't tell any thing , Thomas Clifford . Whom administered the test has [9] Complaints filed against him and my atty told me this could be a reason to appeal the whole test/case  if I wanted,
     Going into it Thomas Clifford Told me Him self , The testing is very difficult to tell any thing when people are functional enough to have jobs cars etc , He said Its really hard to tell any thing , As a matter of fact very little of what he said had any thing to do with the test results , And a whole lot of his report Had to do with His belief in My psycho's absolute lies and exagerrations , And a falsified letter presented to him By the psycho , Probably 95% of his report was based on wrong information , And is a repetitious rambling ,THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TEST RESULTS !!! And in some parts he said the mother scored very weak in reality testing , And Probably has a very good imagination and fantasy world , In spite of this
     Clifford reports that the mother was more mentaly healthy than me , Although He states that the test reveals about me that I Work very hard at making sure what I say is correct in accordance to fact , And I scored very High in reality testing , But then puts a negative demeaner in the report against me saying that because of this I , Probably am very un- Imaginative ,
  But then inspite of his report saying that I was way into reality said that I probably have more of imaginative relationships with people that are not based on fact, but fantasy ,
 You tell me what the test revealed , That kind of contradiction Is so stupid and ridicoulous , That any moron could see the fault in it ,  My wife was disgusted .
  Tell me why would the evaluater put probablility about what type of wife I may have , NUT , But he did write ,even about my wife , the APA American Psychological Association , Has rules against even writeing probabilty about A person that was not tested , BUT HE DID write even about my wife whom he NEVER EVER even has seen ,
 Last but mot least in this I talked to an expert in child custody issues . He happened to be a counselor that worked in the field for twenty years .
 And guess what < He told me the judge doesn't usually even read the Psych evals , Becuase they know they are subjective ,
 I have written in My other posts truthfull accurate and real info I have recieved from other proffessionals , And My expirience with Taking the MMCI the MMPI And the RORSHACK ink blot test , There is no one or the other ,and there are different versions of the MMPI Becuase it was developed years ago , And they have a group that believs the test is out dated because from Like 1930'S to now, society has changed , And these people belive the old MMPI Is out dated becuase of this . I am tired of people on here stateing statistics and test question numbers and hOW IT COULD REVEAL  truthfullness Becuase the test is supposed to be Bullet proof , And if santa exists so does the thought that the test could tell if you are lying , Untill you have taken the test as I have , I suggest you state that although you have not taken it YOU THINK some superstitious things about it because you read info about it , I have read the info , And talked to educated and impressive people on  a personal level as stated in My other posts , And I also asked these other psychiatrist if they think the test could tell if you lied , And the answer was 100% NO!!!, I'm not telling any one to lie , But the test cannot tell if you did a crime 20 years ago . Or any thing of the likes , Or if you have been in treatment for mental disorders , Nothing nada < Take the test and then speak your part . Untill then state your theory as what it is , YOUR THEORY .
  NO ONE !!! Should go into this test thinking they will get boxed In Like a Perry Mason Movie . CAN'T and won't Happen , And don't even think It will win you custody . In the case discussed in the context , I would venutr to say the test is not even neccesary , A judge hearing the case and the issue would come to a decent conclusion , With out these tests, And that is verified in some of the info On this site . Yes there is Info clearly stated that a good family law judge will figure it out , And what I'm not getting is why this GAl is soo weak that although the patterns are there for a change of custody , The GAL needs One more step to clinch it ? WTF ! Can't the GAL make a decision ? Or is this As I say Just more exposure because the GAL can't voice her own apinion ?

I personally watched a trial where My atty advised a man to take the kids , And File a temporary restraining order keeping her from taking the kids , They then appointed A Guardian Ad litem , And the dad won custody , If you are college educated , You must have the capability to help , And consult a number of atty's , I would say ,  The above should be the process , And I have seen the hard side of life My self , The mother is a con artist , And its likely she uses drug , Unless its just plain mental disorders , But I would say consult a number of atty's . And Its Been something I was told before . If the children are in danger , The judge is going to wonder why some one did not take them out of it , And take the mother through the courts process , I went through a long process during my case , And had joined a mens group , I have heard many stories , And Yours seems to be one that you or the dad have a good chance of getting custody ,
  If you Take the kids or more likely the Dad , And file a temp restraining order , the mother doesn't seem to have any ability to deal with the courts process , Nor will she be able to get an atty . Simply I would talk to a number of attyt's

 Personally if my son was living like this , I would of course interview a number of atty's . Unless they told me absolutley not to , I would TAKE My son and go file a restraing order on the mother at the court , And file to have a Guardian ad litem appointed , I just don't think any judge is going to say living with the mother is in the best interest of the child .
  There is a bit of a process , Court appearances , And interviews with the GAL , And if she is this wacky it should come out , But some nut cases  are very good at acting normal in these situations ,
 As My frien said " Even a nut can act normal for a while . But the courts process is long , And she will be haveing to deal with atty fees . And the GAL will want to see her place of residence etc ,
  The case I watched My atty win
  The judges comments were , " The mother has to be able to take care of herself before she can raise a child " And My atty won for a man " !!!
  Gey off yopur @$$ and talk to atty's untill you find one that sounds normal , And read atty selection on this site , My son would not be in this with out me taking him period

sounds good for you so far , My two cents < Don;t get cocky , Don't react or interact with the disfunction , Just be a good parent . I reacted , And I really did not do much , But these psycho's have a way of trying to Turn it all around And blame you if you do anything , And they can be the provocaters , And In an amazing way make it look like you are the bad one and make it all makes some sort of sense ,

Get a grip this test CAN'T get to the truth . I personally have worked for a man I think is intelligent , And a psychiatrist , He refuses to do custody evaluations , Because He said , " You Can't evaluate some one for 6 or 8 hrs and come to a custody conlusion , HE REFUSES THEM BASED ON THIS
  Secondly I have a personal friend that Is a Psychiatrist .
  And he told me point blank " they only know what you tell them" . And "the test is very subjective " " Especialy if the correct procedure for follow up questions is not followed " Read My other post " And don;t yet speak untill you have completed the test
 I Took the test's and there is absoolutely zero trick questions on there that could really determine any thing that is not 75% Subjective to the opinion of the evaluater ,
 Trust me I took all the tests and the psycho lied absolutely , And she did much better than I did , Remmember . I know her past < and she did not have the dream world child hood or any thing reported by the evaluater that she told him
 Listen up
 This women had a very dismissive child hood < And was Molested . Has a history of lying . And virtually EVERY ONE  I know that knew her from child hood thinks she is a nut case , And In My situation she lied through out the courts process , And the evaluations , And I proved it to the GAL with video tapes , But she lied and did well on the Psych evals ,
  DON"T think these evaluations are any thing but subjective > And exposeure to people that think they work <
  Remmember I just wrote , I worked for a guy that is a Psych , And have a friend that is one , And on a personal level they both told me what they think , read My other post , Get a grip ,
  Do not go to this test thinking that if you lie there is some complex rubics cube formula that makes bells and whistles go off and say LIAR >LIAR LIAR , Aint gonna happen ,

I took the MMCI , The MMPI , And the Rorshack Ink Blot test ,
   My advise . DON"T think it really works . The Mother lied Her @$$ Off and they favored her , I told the truth , And The results, in My mind were quite twisted , Heres a real Stupid one for ya ,
  One of the tests asks if I desire close friendships , I put "NO'
  The reason is I have friends , And I don't desire them I have them "
   Well The wacko evaluater reported that I was anti socliall becuase I checked off 'no' ,
  There were a number of these types of questions and the Psych evaluater can Make ANYTHING  He chooses to out of the results ,
   And don't expect it to turn any thing up on her , Real Wierdos go to the test and lie , And I Asked the evaluater How he could tell if some one lied , He said " Well there is a question Like "  My head feels large and squishy " and he could tell by questions like this If you were telling the truth , Ya Right , I feel that I am based in reality , And that Is one of the things the evaluater wrote about me ,
  He said " Mr X Tries very hard to make sure that His answeres are correct as far as being accurate , And then say's He does this do the degree that It is a detriment <
  All kinds of Bullshit , Here's My advice , If this so called evaluater is not a member of the APA , American Psychiatric Association , Get one that is , I called Wash state , And The one that did Mine Is not , And the person At the wash state dept of health told me there are very little laws that govern psych evals , And that Thomas Clifford has 9 Complaints against him ,
 My atty told me this could be a reason to appeal My case Altogether ,
SO
 Read on this site the section about evaluations , And have ready to talk about as many GOOD stories about life , Child hood , And your relationship with the children ready , And DO NOT ! Get caught up at all talking about the problems , Make them think you live well . Don't go in With Unexpected questions the evaluater will ask questions that generally are about quality of life and your past , HAVE GOOD STORIES remmembered < Secondly I have a friend thats a Psychiatrist , And he told me " they only know what you tell them "
  Think long and hard about that , And don't tell them any thing Bad about your self even if you think its normal , And DON"T think that any one can get to the truth and facts about you in few hours of testing and interviews etc , ITS impossible , Unless you still believe in SAnta ,
 As far as I am concerned this is a joke a sick joke , And As I went through it I found that the judges don't even really believe in it , But all the players involved are nothing but exposeure to people that will write reports that will effect your life for a very long time ,
 AGAIN Read on this site about Psychiatric testing and follow it too a T
   I said " Follow it to a T
  This is not a joke and even if you know as I know, the ex is a psycho . And many people that have known her for years , Know she's wacked , DO not expect This testing to  be good for you no matter How much you think she is far worse off than you ,
  BTW what state are you from ,

It didn't seem to make much difference , because they can file some argument against what you filed , Fileing first doesn't mean you get your way , But It sounds that you may as well get it over with , My Atty advised me to file , After I told him what happened , He said she can reconsile during the process if you want , But this will get the orders in place , And Start the clock ticking to D DAY

If there is no order in place there is nothing she could do if you took the child , You are not Disobeying a court order , Want to play , Go get the child and file a restraining order on her and keep the child . Say she is living with a man that you feel puts the child welfare in jeopordy , And file  a temp order that say's you have custody , If you leave it like this the court won't pay much attention if you Try to say " the child is living with a dangerous man and you did nothing to take the child out of there ,'
   I say this because my atty told me one that if I kept my son . It would take court action for her to get Him back , Because there was no order " He did not say Go take your son , He said " if I did " I couldn't get into trouble because there was no order stating who has custody " SOOO
  If you won't do that then you have to file for divorce and get a temp order , Or File separation papers , Or maybe just file a temporary parenting plan ,
  If she is dirty she will make up the typical abuse story about you < And you should have , Order To Appoint A Guardian Ad litem in the same Fileing or you have to wait to file that , All this takes time . And I know how divorce is a big step , And hard to initiate , But the facts are she is liveing with another man , And The court will not enforce visitation till you have an order that say;s you have it , SOOO . Call a Bunch of atty's and Keep asking if they can file the papers and you will show up at court pro se ,
  Or call the court and make an appointment with a courthouse facilitater , And or ask if there is a night when atty's help people file pro se documents , And or just go to the courtr  and go to commissioner services ,
 These are all options in Pierce county washington , And it may be different where you are , But if you are patient and ask with a pen and paper in hand to write down who what when and where , You can get the court to help file , I have filed stuff myself , And When I was Nice , Very nice and asked the people at the court where I go to file certain papers , They were pretty helpful ,But you need to write stuff down , Becuase they told me to go to the law library and get a certain paper , And By the time you get there you can't remmember all they told you about who stamps what , And she has to be served etc , And any one can serve her , Here they file a affidavit of service and you turn it into the court , Or you can pay a process server ,
  SPARC has a drop down list of courts and papers etc , Just post again about your area , And what you file , And some one will know rthats been through it , I think you will file a temprary parenting plan . And separation papers or dissolution of marriage , But all this takes time . My atty filed a Emergency Order Shortening Time once for My visitaion . And it got to court in like two weeks ,
  Don't give up , And keep posting and asking , And post On Socrateasers board , And read his info about how to format , Remmember this is the daily grind at the court and they will basically want the facts . Not all about her and her boy friend etc Your declaration will read something like ,
   We are separated , I have not seen My doughter because Mom won't cooperate , I need the courts intervention , And on order stipulating when My parenting time is ",
   I have been to court a number of times and My best results are when I said to My atty , Whom relayed to the court
   Mr XXX Just wants to see his son < And mRs ZZZ Won't cooperate , And we need a court order, Then the psycho made up Allegations and there had to be a Guardian ad Litem , And this took a long time 3 . or 4 months , Then there was A GAL report , Andf the GAL report said . Mr X Should have regular visits with Minor child , And the commissioner Signed A temp Parenting plan < personally . If My Ex moved in with another man I would file for the dissolution , But this is a hard choice , I filed for disolution pro se , And it went fine , I had to get an atty , But all in all you could do alright if you use a parrelgal service also .
  I Had to have the court order visitation , And every advance due to My son getting older , I did it with an atty but if you have no money the best thing you could do is, Call the court and say you want to know where the hearings start ,  
 Like here In Pierce county you go see the commissioner for the intial temp hearings  , And its in the Basement , You need to find out where you start , Like ask a couple atty's , And If they can't tell you ask a couple more because you wouldn't want to hire one if they cant tell you , Then go watch that court , I Never had My atty say any thing astounding , Basically . Mr X wants a parenting plan ,
  Basically when the mom made up allegations about me , The court would not do any thing untill the Guardian ad Litem reported to the court that' there was not a fact that verified the mothers allegations , And I should have regular visits' , Then when the court got the report , the commissioner stamped My parenting plan , So there  is a process to this < And dont think you lost the war in one go round , Just find out what the next step in the process is . And Have your pay stubs ready because she will get child support , But if she doesn't ask then don't say any thing just get the visits ordered . Thats what I did <