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#221
A post to equalize my last one. :-)


Site: OhioClassAction

Not only are there many women who *understand*, unfortunately there are many who are subject to the same evil. The number of affected non- custodial parents asking for relief through such as our Ohio Class Action lawsuit includes 3 million female parents! (and that's not counting 2nd wives, grandmothers, aunts...)

email from sympathetic female on custody

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Hi Dads! My name is Annie! My heart goes out to all of you
that struggle just to be considered equal in parenting your children.

As a woman, I recognize that in the heat a battle during the
feminist movement, the men thought they could entrust woman
to be custodial parents and they would equitably share the children.
As is usual, men try to fix things and so they did try.

I am ashamed that our gender took advantage of this kindness
 and turned it into a control and money issue. As a woman and
child advocate, I recognize that children need the benefit of the
differences of both genders to truly grow up to be healthy, happy
and stable adults.

Why can't people understand that differences does not mean
better, and differences does not mean unequal? I pity the
male children who grow up in sole custody women households
that only serve to denigrate their importance in family life through
that household. One day these male children will become fathers!

I pity the female children who have grown up in sole custody
women households that only serve to denigrate the importance
of the father in their life. What deafening impact this will have on
female children that grow up wanting a successful family relationship
with a gender that has only been denigrated one's whole life.

This is the true crime of the whole thing. More power to all of
your fathers for not giving up and standing tall. Our future
society needs your strength of perserverance.

God bless!
#222
Father's Issues / So which Santa is you. :-)
Dec 02, 2004, 03:02:31 PM
So which Santa is you. :-)


Great job. and nice pic.
#223
Father's Issues / marriage a gamble for men.
Dec 02, 2004, 01:26:30 PM
http://www.insightmag.com/news/2000/05/29/Symposium/Q.Does.It.Pay.For.Men.In.America.To.Marry.And.Raise.Children-208451.shtml



Q: Does it pay for men in America to marry and raise children?

NO!: High divorce rates and biased laws have made marriage a gamble for too many men.
By Jed. H. Abraham

If you're like most men, you're married or you hope to marry some day. You think you deserve to live happily ever after but, if things don't work out that way, you'll get a civilized divorce and move on. You'll stay pals with your ex-wife and you'll see your kids as often as you want.

You have no idea what you're getting into.........................


(check out link to read rest of article)
http://www.insightmag.com/news/2000/05/29/Symposium/Q.Does.It.Pay.For.Men.In.America.To.Marry.And.Raise.Children-208451.shtml


#224
Did I hear word "demonstration"?

I know many hold a negative opinion to F4J.  I must say that I've also had concerns about a few saying "This is war, there will be causalities" comments coming from the F4J camp.

BUT,,, I thought this was a good idea.



[font size =+1]Action for DECEMBER 17th.
 ===================
 
 Fathers 4 Justice will hold their Christmas Protest Action in London on Saturday December 18th. in typical F4J style :-)
 
 Whether you support Fathers 4 Justice or not; whether you agree or disagree with our methods, we have achieved world-wide media coverage with our actions. Please capitalise on what we have achieved in raising our  issue in the public arena and get involved with the following action on Friday December 17th., either in support of Fathers 4 Justice, in support of your own group, as individuals but more importantly - in support of your children and their future!
 
 Earlier this year a member of Fathers 4 Justice placed his sons
toys on the steps of the Royal Courts of Justice in London. Fathers 4 Justice - Netherlands followed with a similar action outside the child welfare office.
 ( Images and video can be seen via:
  
 Action   (I love this idea) !*!*!*!
 =====
 
 1) Please buy a toy or donate one of your childrens toys, wrap it up  as a Christmas present and mark on the present whether it is for a boy or a girl.
 
 2) Notify the local media to cover the event and also notify a childrens charity to collect the presents after the protest as a donation to them. Ask that they inform the media about the donation.
 
3) On Friday December 17th. we are asking that parents around the world dress as Santa Claus ( Father Christmas ), carry purple flags and congregate in front of your local family court or child welfare office steps.
 
 ( Previous F4J Christmas demo can be seen via: )
  
 4) Sing Christmas Carols outside the court / office as this will draw the publics attention to you.
 
5) When you have a suitable audience start placing the presents on the steps of the family court. Nominate one member to inform the public that you can't give the present to your own child because of these courts etc..
 
 Inform the public why you are there and carrying out the action - be polite and avoid being angry. The public will avoid people who appear angry - they will approach you if you appear to be having a good time and enjoying yourself.
 
 6) Continue singing more Christmas Carols including the Fathers 4 Justice one pasted below!
 
 When you have finished the protest I would suggest that members debrief in a local cafe, bar or somewhere to have a meal and relax and discuss further actions for 2005.
 
 Our children have suffered enough! It is time to send the message
out that as decent parents, we will no longer tolerate the child abuse
handed out to children by family courts. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
 
 Please notify me of the following in order that we can broadcast a list of contacts and locations. This will help people to recruit volunteers locally and to insert details into their press releases.
 
 i) Contact person ( e-mail address )
 ii) Location or area of protest
 
 Several groups and individuals have pledged to take part in
 Australia, New Zealand and France. We hope to get a protest in every state in America.; every province in Canada and countries in South America where we have an increasing membership.

Fathers 4 Justice Christmas Carol:
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#225
Father's Issues / sorry to hear
Nov 14, 2004, 04:21:17 PM
I have not followed your whole story.  


In my case I was fighting for 50/50 custody. In my county Dads fight for 50/50 custody and moms fight for Sole custody.  I do NOT think a Sole Custody Dad exists in my county.

I have been there, the pain one feels is horrible.


Since losing my son and now experiencing an every other weekend seclude I ran across and am using a Custody Coach.  

He has helped me, perhaps he can help you.


Steven Carlson
ChildCustodyCoach.com
Orange County, CA
(714) 379-0850
//www.childcustodycoach.com
[email protected]


#226
Father's Issues / bed bug story
Nov 14, 2004, 03:53:05 PM
Msme, Cool email.  

I've never heard of the "bed bug story".

Thank you for sharing the rest of the story.

I would like to read the whole story, do you know where I can find it.



BTW – What' a railroad? :-)



****

lol, "what's a railroad?" -- heeee, heeee.  It's a joke!! Come-on you smiled a little,,,,, didn't ya.
#227
Hawkeye, your reference to Malicious Mother Syndrome caught my eye.  It is very usual for me to see a reference to it.

Have you seen this data?  "No MAD" at DD Introduced to the concept and mentions it quite often.  Here is a resent post by him.

******


Subject: Malicious Mother Syndrome

Author: No•MAD  at DD
Date:   11-12-04 11:20

Well I certainly can't claim any rights to the topic, but I do reference it rather frequently. :-)

The author will probably be calling me soon to collect royalties. lol


I always give proper credit each time it is referenced!
http://fact.on.ca/Info/pas/turkat95.htm


This is one of my favorite parts of the article:

It is important to note that the person manipulated by the angry mother has, in a way, been "alienated" against the divorcing husband. Typically, the individual "duped" takes on a righteous indignation, contributing to a rewarding climate for the mother initiating malicious actions.

Malicious Mother Syndrome
DEFINITION

The present section provides a beginning definition of the Divorce Related Malicious Mother Syndrome, which has been derived from clinical and legal cases. As in all initial proposals, it is anticipated that future research will lead to greater refinement in the taxonomic criteria. The proposed definition encompasses four major criteria, as follows:

A mother who unjustifiably punishes her divorcing or divorced husband by:

Attempting to alienate their mutual child(ren) from the father
Involving others in malicious actions against the father
Engaging in excessive litigation

The mother specifically attempts to deny her child(ren):

Regular uninterrupted visitation with the father
Uninhibited telephone access to the father
paternal participation in the child(ren)'s school life and extra-curricular activities

Tile pattern is pervasive and includes malicious acts towards the husband including:

Lying to the children
Lying to others
Violations of law

The disorder is not specifically due to another mental disorder although a separate mental disorder may co-exist.

No•MAD
#228


Hawkeye, you said "Can we all chant B*tch or even C*nt now?"

wellllllllllllll..... Sure I could!!!  I have another idea, lets all get together and start a Choir.

To have some notoriety we will need a celebrity.  msme since you now hold a icon status you can lead us. :-)  How much money do you think we can make. lol  heeeeee, heeeeee ;-)

I will donate the first song to our repertories.  (read day 12 for a quick read)




The 12 Days of Xmas:

On the first day of Christmas
My ex love sent to me
A summons to stop my custody.


On the second day of Christmas
My ex love sent to me
Two restraining orders
And a summons to stop my custody


On the third day of Christmas
My ex love sent to me
Three harassment charges
Two restraining orders
And a summons to stop my custody


On the fourth day of Christmas
My ex love sent to me
Four solicitors letters
Three harassment charges
Two restraining orders
And a summons to stop my custody


On the fifth day of Christmas
My ex love sent to me
Five policemenŠŠŠŠŠ
Four solicitors letters
Three harassment charges
Two restraining orders
And a summons to stop my custody


On the sixth day of Christmas
My ex love sent to me
Six witness statements
Five policemenŠŠŠŠŠ
Four solicitors letters
Three harassment charges
Two restraining orders
And a summons to stop my custody


On the seventh day of Christmas
My ex love sent to me
Seven injunction papers
Six witness statements
Five policemenŠŠŠŠŠ
Four solicitors letters
Three harassment charges
Two restraining orders
And a summons to stop my custody.

On the eight day of Christmas
My ex love sent to me
Eight separate motions
Seven injunction papers
Six witness statements
Five policemenŠŠŠŠŠ
Four solicitors letters
Three harassment charges
Two restraining orders
And a summons to stop my custody.


On the ninth day of Christmas
My ex love sent to me
Nine Dates for hearings
Eight separate motions
Seven injunction papers
Six witness statements
Five policemenŠŠŠŠŠ
Four solicitors letters
Three harassment charges
Two restraining orders
And a summons to stop my custody.

On the tenth day of Christmas
My ex love sent to me
Ten CAFCASS people
Nine Dates for hearings
Eight separate motions
Seven injunction papers
Six witness statements
Five policemenŠŠŠŠŠ
Four solicitors letters
Three harassment charges
Two restraining orders
And a summons to stop my custody.


On the eleventh day of Christmas
My ex love sent to me
Eleven Allegations
Ten CAFCASS people
Nine Dates for hearings
Eight separate motions
Seven injunction papers
Six witness statements
Five policemenŠŠŠŠŠ
Four solicitors letters
Three harassment charges
Two restraining orders
And a summons to stop my custody.


On the twelfth day of Christmas
My ex love sent to me
Twelve Penal notices
Eleven Allegations
Ten CAFCASS people
Nine Dates for hearings
Eight separate motions
Seven injunction papers
Six witness statements
Five policemenŠŠŠŠŠ
Four solicitors letters
Three harassment charges
Two restraining orders
And a summons to stop my custody.



Dave Ellison
#229
lol - msme I told your son on another board to give you a thank you hug from me.  I mean a BIG HUG! Make sure you get that thank you hug! :-)


a copy paste from http://www.custodyreform.com/


Subject: Well, fathers are being heard

Posted by: HRUs at  Custody Reform
on November 09, 2004 at 14:57:28:


Fatherhood Activists Protest TV Ad
Tuesday, November 09, 2004

NEW YORK — A TV ad showing a computer-illiterate father getting chided for trying to help his Internet-savvy daughter with her homework has roused the anger of fatherhood activists (search), who are calling on Verizon to take it off the air.

"Leave her alone," says the wife/mother in the Verizon DSL ad, ordering her befuddled husband to go wash the dog as the daughter, doing research on the computer, conveys a look of exasperation with her father.

"It's really outrageous," said Joe Kelly, executive director of the national advocacy group Dads and Daughters (search).

"It's reflective of some deeply entrenched cultural attitudes — that fathers are second-class parents, that they're not really necessary," Kelly said. "To operate from the assumption that dad is a dolt is harmful to fathers, harmful to children, and harmful to mothers."

John Bonomo, a Verizon spokesman, said Tuesday the ad has been running for several months. But only a few days ago did it come to the attention of Glenn Sacks (search), a commentator who hosts a weekly radio show aired in Los Angeles and Seattle that is sympathetic to the fathers' rights movement.

After watching the ad, Sacks began urging listeners of "His Side" to protest to Verizon — contending that the company would not have commissioned a comparable ad with the parents' genders reversed. He said more than 1,100 protest e-mails had been sent through his show's Web site to Verizon within the first two days of the campaign.


"By denigrating that guy, not simply with his wife but to show him to be useless with his little daughter, I know that made a lot of people see red," said Sacks, who has a school-age daughter of his own.

Bonomo said Verizon had received numerous calls and e-mails in the past couple of days about the ad, but had not yet decided on what sort of response might be made.

"All we can say at this point is we're looking at it," he said. "We take our feedback and customer comments quite seriously. We're obviously dismayed that some customers find one of our commercials offensive."

Kelly, who has engaged Dads and Daughters in several campaigns protesting ads, said corporate executives should try to imagine their own families being portrayed in their company's commercials.

"If you get the powers-that-be to put their own child's face in the picture, you've accomplished something." he said. "You can't stop being a father when you go out the front door."

Both Sacks and Kelly believe fathers have become easy targets for mockery from ad agencies that are now wary of offending women and racial minorities.

Jenny Thalheimer, a spokeswoman for the National Organization for Women, said NOW still receives many complaints about ads denigrating women.

"These Madison Avenue companies are under the gun," she said. "To even out their disparagement of women, they have to take on the men now and then."
#230
Father's Issues / Verizon's Ad - "Take Action"
Nov 08, 2004, 09:13:28 AM



It only takes 1 minute!!!!

On the right side of the screen is "Take Action". Click on it and a short form letter is created. I embellished it slightly.

Look how humiliating the Verizon's Ad  is towards the father.

http://www.hisside.com/verizon_campaign.htm

anti father ad must be stopped.

I sent my email, have you sent yours?!?!?!?!?


"I believe that such anti-father messages are harmful to our sons and daughters, and I respectfully request that you withdraw this commercial. "


Msme Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!!!!!!! for getting Glenn Sacks from "His Side" involved.   May you get everything you want for X-mas!!!! :-)