Criminal non support

[penny]

Finally I am getting somewhere. I have been with Mo. Dept. Child support Enforcement for 15 years. That was pretty much a joke. The ex owes me 77,000.00 in back support. My kids are now 19 & 20. Daughter is still in medical school. I guess I'm proud of myself for supporting these two kids by myself without any help from the government. Well I just turned 40 this year and at a turning point in my life. I am going after the S.O.B. Two weeks ago I called Washington D.C. to government complaint hot line. They gave me a number to a lady in Mo., in charge of all CS offices. It must have worked, they have now filed criminal non support. It probably helped, because I called every elected official for the State of Missouri. If he does not show for court and has to be arrested, he will have to post a cash bond for 10% of what he owes before they let him out. He will have 5 years to pay back the money or go to prison for 5 years. He will be on parole, so if he misses a payment, back to the slammer he goes. He said it would be a cold day in Hell, before he paid me any money. I wonder if he is shivering yet?

[dontunderstand]

GOOD FOR YOU!!!  I am glad that you are taking action, pretty soon I bet he will ask you for a glass of water!!!

[reagantrooper]

Must not be to proud of supporting your kids on your own now are you! If you are why are you looking for pay back?

How often did you keep his kids away from him if at all? Would you admitt it here?

How many times did you speak ill of him to his kids if at all? Would you admitt it here?


Yea now that your kids are grown its time for your payday. Geez of course you should get paid for raising your kids. Why the F should it have cost you anything? You have earned at least %35 of his pay.

Yes you are correct he should be put in jail for not submitting to the involentary servitude he was ordered into. WTF is this country coming to when we let these criminals get away with this shit?  


So if he won the lottery and sent you a check for 77K, how much of that 77K would be profit to you? Could you prove your out of pocket expences? How much of that 77K would you have had to spend regarless if you had kids or not?

Its about accountability why the hell is there no accountability for the money?

Good luck to you! I hope you get your revenge so that you can move on with your life!

[penny]

Wow are you one of those deadbeats? For your info I was married to this wonderful man for 9 years. The first time he beat me up, I was 8 months pregnant with his son. By the time I was 22 I had two children. He moved us to Florida. He started using crack cocaine, let the crack dealer move into our home. He lost his job, I worked installing tile and marble for disney. Paid daycare for two, couldn't leave my kids home with a crack head. He left for two days after he knocked the shit out of me and took my money. Showed back up higher than a kite, picked up my son and slammed him into the wall. I body tackled him and he continued to beat the crap out of me. My 5 year old son called 911. I woke up in the hospital with a broken arm, 3 cracked ribs, tooth missing, punctured lung, and 17 stitches in my head. Oh what a wonderful husband he was!!!!!!!!!!! He got 30 days in the slammer and anger management classes. We moved to Missouri while he was in jail. Took me 3 months to heal before I could work again. I have paid all living expenses, copays, braces, field trips to D.C., roller hockey, dance classes, graduation expenses, 1 car, 1 truck, insurance for two teens driving, and 14,000.00 dollars for 1 year medical school, only 7 more to go.  Yep I think the S.O.B. owes me some money. I have worked a union job 40 hours a week, drove 10, and worked many a weekend doing side jobs to pay for everything. He has sent 2 birthday cards in 15 years. Has called twice. He had them for a 3 day weekend only for me to get a call from cops, that he left them in a motel for 2 days. (great dad). Had to drive 2 hours to pick these scared to death children up. Can't remember how much I paid the shrink to get rid of the nightmares.
He lives in a lakefront house, drives a 50,000.00 monster truck and don"t forget the bass boat. I guess I should mention the 32,000.00 in taxes that he owed, took me 7 years to pay the I.R.S. just because I was married to him they said I owed the money also. Yeah, you could say I am out for revenge. Look out because here I come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Any more comments from the peanut gallery?

[reagantrooper]

Some story you got there hun!

[penny]

So, do you think he still doesn't owe me any money? He makes approx. 75,000 a year as do I. I guess he shouldn't have to give up 1 year of wages to help pay for his kids for the last 15 years. Wouldn't want to him give up gambling at the casino, buying new rims and tires for his truck or supporting the latest bar whore he has picked up. I figured it up, in 15 years I have brought home 750,000. Per year that is about 50,000, divided by 3, me and two kids. That equals about 16,750.00 per person. If you take 16,750.00 times two for the kids for 15 years. WOW that equals 502,500.00. I guess he is really getting screwed by having to pay 77,000. Don't you feel sorry for him?

[joni]

clearly this woman is just venting her frustrations and anger on the people of this community.  

[marybeth33]

Well I am a mom of twin boys age 10. My divorce was only final 2 years ago and I also have recieved no child support. I pretty much have accepted that their dad will not financially contribute to the necessities in his childrens life. My ex refuses to work because hes so determined not to pay child support! AND he is only required to pay 244.00 a month for 2 kids! The minimum amount.
I provide fully for my kids. I try to take on the peoples perspective here on this site. I do. I just wonder however if they were left in our shoes how they would feel? We didnt create these children by immaculate conception. The fathers were there too. Why is it the mothers responsibilkity after a break up or divorce to take the full responsibility in these people eyes? I dont understand that?
Why are we suppost to not be angry and suck it up? Seriously I would like to know?
Oh and my ex also chose to move 200 miles away from his children. his drivers license is now suspended because he hasnt paid child support. And he is telling the children that I should drive them to see him? Im already paying for all the expenses why at 2.60 per gallon should I have to drive that far  to bring the kids to him?

I think you have done a great job in getting your case this far. I know Im having a HELL of a time shaking anyone up in Minnesota - hes freeloading off another woman now and OH has another baby on the way he wont pay for next month!

Such honorable men  puuuuleeeaasssse!!!

[penny]

I'm sorry that you are in the same situation. Start with your elected officials, call them everyday, most have 800 #'s. I think the state reps stirred up the CS office. Gotta watch the phone bills, you know the next C.S. payment is in the mail. Watch it before long, joni will be calling you a troll. I have went back and read some of joni's post. She's good at posting different web sites. She is a second wife, wonder if she was the cause of the first divorce. Looks like she has a child fom previous relationship, wonder how much child support she has coming in on a regular monthly schedule. $$$$$ Did she get a rich one second time around? Does she have to work or just sit around eating Bon Bon's? Makes you wonder who the real TROLL is?

[metamorphosis]

The problem is that there are the s***heads on both sides.  On the one side you have mothers who are forced to support their children with no help from the BFs or have been through terrible ordeals with the BFs.  On the other hand you have people like my husband who pay their support (not always on time, but it is there) and goes through hell just to see his kids eow.  Now he is fighting to stop her from moving across the country, but it doesn't look like there is much we can do.  
There are deadbeat dads.  There are crappy money-hungry mothers.  
Unfortunately they seem to draw all the attention away from the many good mothers and fathers and step-parents who really just love the kids and want what's best for them.  
That's just SAD

[SandMan799]

OK Lets take a look at something here, first of all the child support laws are making criminals out of good honest upstanding men, and in some cases women but far less than the men here. I have a question for those out there listening, why should  a man have to go to jail for non payment of child support? let them just keep taking money where they can until the money is repaid, a lot of men cannot afford these outrageous high child support orders, they automatically  increase the child support order if the man starts making more money, HOWEVER if the man starts making less money they do not lower the support payment as a matter of fact a man has to go to hell and back twice just to try and get the support order reduced and often it doesnt get reduced??? let me tell you a story, a man meets a woman and had sex, 5 days later woman calls man and tells him she is pregnant (and it is physically impossible to tell that early unless she was already pregnant before she met said man) man decides to do the right thing and stay with the woman, baby is born, and a short time after man and woman seperate, man tells woman he wants to still be part of childs life, mom says that the father will (that means that man is not biological father) man also finds out soon after the seperation that the woman had been in a relationship with another man only a few days before current man met woman, and that man had almost the exact same physical features, such as height, weight, eye color, and hair color, and prior man dumped her and joined the army... so current man moves on with his life, meets a good woman has a child and are doing ok, a few years pass and man moves back to originating state with his wife and child and gets hit with a child support order, man disputes said order and requests paternity test, paternitiy test is taken and man is told he would receive the first notification of test results which he never receives from lab, but from the courts instead (which means he received no notification as he was supposed to) ok so here is the real kicker, the courts are supposed to have a minimum standard for support orders which are suppoed to be at least 99% correct? well the test results come in at 97% and says that the man is NOT EXCLUDED FROM PATERNITY... not that the man is the father just that he is not excluded from being the father which means another man could actiually be the biological father in this case, hell at 99.0% that just means that 1 out of 100 men are likely to have the same results, so at 97.0% it grows exponentialy so lets say 1 out of every 10 men (or less) could be the father.... OK so job market crashes man cant find work, meanwhile he files for his disability from injuries he had from a accident several years prior while he was in the army and was medically discharged for these injuries,  so man is unable to work because of said injuries, support order is not reduced or modified no matter what man does, now man is facing criminal prosacution for non payment of court ordered child support and the Child support services are demanding  an immediate lump sum payment of close to $75,000.00 or face criminal prosacution plus they still want man to pay $706.00 a month out of his already very low disability income, not to mention man has wife and daughter to support (which is already almost impossable with disability income) so tell me... are all men that cannot pay their child support criminals? why can the courts do this to honest upstanding men who otherwise are reliable and productive members of the community? why does the court not try to make sure that these types of situations are much more regulated so these things do not happen? and how the hell can a man that only comes in at 97% and not excluded from being the father. end up in a mess like this that there is no way out of no matter what he does and cannot find help anywhere, he has been married for going on 14 years and has a beautiful 8 year old daughter that will be 9 next month... anyway yes if the man is 99.99% that he is the father then yes he should pay  the support if he is financially able, otherwise the support order should be reduced, but this is almost never the case and these mens current families suffer because of this kind of things, they care about the child for which support is ordered but not for the mans current children for which he lives with and tries to take care of them the best he can,.....it is so unjust to ruin a mans life who just could be the father of the child for which support is ordered, and not 100% or even 99% sure...  but at 97% that is just too much of a descrepancy for the courts to actually order and enforce child support for this case.....I can understand if he was  the minimum of  99.0%  on the dna/blood tests but he wasnt so it is plain and simply wrong

[SEM]

WELL SAID - Enough of this "black & white" view of a grey issue.  There are heinous mommy and daddy schmucks out there and flapping our yaps about which is worse will solve nothing...gender war is a dead end.  Let's challenge the court system!

The problem, in my opinion, is how the system handles the majority of cases where two good parents can't stay married and disagree about what's best for their children (custody).  MOST of the time mom gets custody and dad gets visitation and hefty child support orders.  This cookie-cutter recipe spells disaster for children and both parents.  The victor/vanquished philosophy does not work for families.  You can not FORCE compliance with ones wishes.  You may "win" the day or a particular issue, but suddenly...hmmm...flexibility disappears, etc.  

The child entered this world with two equal parents.  Kids need and love both equally and the court should only consider limiting one's access (injunction) with clear cause (drug abuse, violence, etc.).  To do otherwise deprives children of their right to access both parents and CREATES an imbalance of power which leads to increased conflict.  Something we all want to avoid.  

SEM

[KELI609]

hi, my name is keli and my ex owes me 14,000.00.  he skipped a hearing for contempt to pay child support and there is a warrant for him.  do you have any advice on what i should do so it doesn't get to your level.

[mplsfitter539]

 am writing to you today so that I can share something with you that I found or stumbled on more or less. I hope this information can help to set men free of the tyranny of Family Court. Anyway here is what I found. I was reading USC at Title 18 sec. 1581 Peonage when it occurred to me that enforcing an order to pay support cannot be enforced without voluntary compliance. Black's Law defines Peonage as a condition of servitude (prohibited by the 13th amendment and Title 18 sec. 1581 of the USC) compelling persons to perform labor in order to pay of a debt.   TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 77 > § 1581  

§ 1581. Peonage; obstructing enforcement


(a) Whoever holds or returns any person to a condition of peonage, or arrests any person with the intent of placing him in or returning him to a condition of peonage, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. If death results from the violation of this section, or if the violation includes kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or the attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, the defendant shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or life, or both.
(b) Whoever obstructs, or attempts to obstruct, or in any way interferes with or prevents the enforcement of this section, shall be liable to the penalties prescribed in subsection (a
  TITLE 42 > CHAPTER 21 > SUBCHAPTER I > § 1994
 
§ 1994. Peonage abolished

 The holding of any person to service or labor under the system known as peonage is abolished and forever prohibited in any Territory or State of the United States; and all acts, laws, resolutions, orders, regulations, or usages of any Territory or State, which have heretofore established, maintained, or enforced, or by virtue of which any attempt shall hereafter be made to establish, maintain, or enforce, directly or indirectly, the voluntary or involuntary service or labor of any persons as peons, in liquidation of any debt or obligation, or otherwise, are declared null and void.

Also Minnesota Supreme Court Case Clausen v. Clausen  which reversed the order of a district court for violation of the elements necessary to find a party in civil contempt.
250 Minn. 293; 84 N.W.2d 675; 1957 Minn. LEXIS 631

[kandi1]

kandi kelley

Good For you!!!!!!!! I am in the same boat. I am owed $59,749 in back support. It is criminal. I like you have just turned 40 and I to am feed up. I am going to try the gov't hotline too and see if they help for the state of Pa where I am. Only problem is that my local domestic relations has been telling me for the last 13 yrs that they can't find him.
wish me luck and good luck to you


kandi

[mplsfitter539]

You sound like a major vengful bitch. CP's don't get it, you rip children out of thier daddy's arms and then you aren't truly happy until you are able to extort large sums of money out of him. Your kids are grown get over it, its time for you to grow up too.

[kittencaboodle]

> She is a second wife, wonder if she was
>the cause of the first divorce. Looks like she has a child fom
>previous relationship, wonder how much child support she has
>coming in on a regular monthly schedule. $$$$$ Did she get a
>rich one second time around? Does she have to work or just sit
>around eating Bon Bon's? Makes you wonder who the real TROLL
>is?

Excuse me.  

I am a second wife, currently pregnant.  I have been with my husband for 2 and a half years, and yes, before the divorce was final.  My husband owes over $6500 in arrears.  

Now, before you slam him for being a deadbeat dad, let's go through "the rest of the story" as Paul HArvey would say.  

1 -- My husband owes child support to his ex wife to the tune of $200 a week for 4 children.  2 girls, and a set of twin boys.  All of them conceived while his ex promised she was on birth control, but then oops she lied, and admitted it to him.  

2 -- I did meet and begin dating my husband before his divorce was final, however...  The divorce had also been going on for a year and a half.  I am certainly not responsible for the dissolution of that "marriage".  

3 -- My husband makes 11 an hour at an accounting job.  She gets about $190 a week from his take home, we get $150.  Tell me how one supports oneself on $150 a week?  

Let me tell you, you can't. That's why I spend 40 hours a week bringing in money to support myself, my husband, and his 4 kids that we have EOWE and on Wednesdays.  

4 -- We live in a one bedroom apartment.  Every other weekend, we pack up our lives to go stay with his parents, so we can have room for the kids.  We do this because my husband wants to be involved with his children, he wants to be a part of their lives, despite the lies their mother has told them about him.  "Daddy was mean", "Daddy is irresponsible".  Even if it were true, why would you tell your own children this?  

How dare you come on here and make generalizations because you feel bitter?  How dare you come on here and make the stereotype that all second wives are out for money?  If that were the case, boy would I be stupid.  We can barely afford to support ourselves and now we're having a baby.  

I work 40 hours a week to pay for mistakes that *I* didn't make.  Maybe you need to look in a mirror and ask yourself how fair that is.  You were stupid enough to marry a crackhead.  Did you really expect anything better?  Be angry at yourself, and be glad you don't have to deal with him anymore instead of prolonging the torture by trying to "get even".