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Police: Mom tied up child
« on: Mar 09, 2004, 11:15:15 AM »
Both mom and the boyfriend should be shot or jailed, in my opinion. They have NO business raising children.


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Police: Mom tied up child
A grandmother calls the police on her daughter after finding her granddaughter tied up, crying hysterically, police say.

BY DANI DAVIES AND PILAR ULIBARRI
Palm Beach Post

BOYNTON BEACH - A woman and her boyfriend used a bedsheet to tie up her 1-year-old daughter so they could go out dancing, according to police.

The baby's grandmother, Olivia Claros, 50, arrived home shortly after 10 p.m. Saturday and heard her granddaughter, Hayli Nicole Claros, crying hysterically from a bedroom. A sheet was tied around her neck, arms and legs, according to a police report.

Claros, 50, found Hayli's mother, Carolina Pineda, 25, in the bathroom, preparing to go out.

Her boyfriend, Oscar Sánchez-Lucas, 24, was waiting outside in the car. Claros told her daughter to untie the child, but she refused and said Hayli was fine, according to a police report.

Claros said it wasn't the first time she had seen Hayli or her 3-year-old brother, Andrés Daniel Pérez Claros, mistreated, so she called police.

Sánchez-Lucas was arrested and charged with aggravated child abuse for allegedly tying up Hayli. Both he and Pineda were charged with aggravated child abuse for allegedly beating Andrés with a belt, and with child neglect.

Both were being held Monday in the Palm Beach County Jail; bail was set at $15,000.

Police and the state Department of Children & Families are investigating the case. The children's aunt, Elizabeth Del Carmen Ramos, who also lives in the house at 230 NW First Ave., said Monday that Pineda punishes the children every day.

Pineda recently hit Andrés across his back with a belt, leaving a mark police saw Saturday night, according to the police report.

Pineda also has an 8-year-old son, who told investigators his mother and her boyfriend tied up Hayli on another night and left her and Andrés in a bedroom by themselves when they went out for the night, according to the report.

''They cry because they are hungry,'' Ramos said. ``But (Sánchez-Lucas) tells (Pineda) not to feed them.''

Instead, he fixes up the baby's bottle with sour milk and puts chili pepper in their food so they won't want to eat, Ramos said.

''And if they act up, he takes off their diapers and hits them,'' she added.
 
From the Miami Herald and wire service sources.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/8138612.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp


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RE: Police: Mom tied up child
« Reply #1 on: Mar 09, 2004, 11:43:46 AM »
No one cares about the children, Mr. B.  And the sooner everyone realizes this, the sooner people can take action.  Though "what" action, I don't know.  I do know that there needs to be some sort of bloody revolution happening to MAKE people understand just how fricken precious these little people are.  

Ya know what?  I keep watching the news.  There's an ongoing story about this punk who lit fire to dogs.  That's ALL OVER the news.  "Big news" they're calling it.  While it "is" news, it's NOT more important than the baby that was brutally BRUTALLY beaten to death last thursday, and it's NOT worth a "bigger" slot on the websites that have a teeny "blurb" about another child who died on Saturday from abuse.  The news stations stopped reporting my neighbors babys murder on the 7th...yet we're STILL hearing about these "poor" dogs.  (Don't get me wrong, I feel terrible about what happened to the dogs)

Mr. B.  How come it is that you and I, and everyone else on this website believe children are our best resource...but no one else gives a damn???  I get the feeling that this countrys children are "disposable".  Well, the only thing disposable about a baby is their diaper.

Sorry...I'm just mad.  


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« Reply #2 on: Mar 09, 2004, 12:32:02 PM »
You've got a right to be, Indy.  And if only the rest of this country would just get as mad, then MAYBE we'd have some reform.  Our children are the future of this country, but as long as they are continued to be viewed as 'disposable', this country has no hope for that future..........
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« Reply #3 on: Mar 09, 2004, 03:12:52 PM »
Indi,

I've been mad about it for YEARS. You said you dont know how myself and others in my field deal with it because we see it every single night we work. We see the abuse, the beatings, children deliberately scalded, little boys with their penis rotting off because "mommy" kept a clothespin on it to punish him for wetting the bed, children beaten to death, kicked to death, killed in auto accidents because they werent in  seatbelts or car seats.

I'll tell you how we deal with it. We get mad, we testify, and later, when its just us and our nightmares, we get drunk occasionally, we hug our kids and celebrate LIFE. We treasure making sure our kids are safe, and happy.

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RE: Police: Mom tied up child
« Reply #4 on: Mar 09, 2004, 03:16:20 PM »
>Mr. B.  How come it is that you and I, and everyone else on
>this website believe children are our best resource...but no
>one else gives a damn???  

I wish I knew. The courts certainly don't care, most social workers are indifferent at best, and the press obviously doesn't pay any attention to this issue (unless, of course, they can make a story out of it).

Meanwhile our esteemed President is more concerned with gay marriage than saving the country from power-diving into the toilet, both economically and otherwise.

I'm no fan of Bill Clinton, but I have to say that during the "Clinton years", I had a job, we weren't at war, and gas was under a buck a gallon.

Under the Bush regime my job, along with hundreds of thousands of others, has been sent offshore, we're spending a billion dollars a week to provide Iraqis with basic health care (!!!) and filling my car costs almost $40. What's wrong with this picture, hmmm?

It's all part of the same thing in my opinion. The country is being sold to the lowest bidder, along with the futures of our children. But the people who have done this are totally, 100% insulated from the effects of their money-grubbing, power-seeking, greed-based decisions. I'm speaking of course, of Congress, the President, and the heads of major corporations, none of whom give a rats ass about our children. Their kids will be provided for, but the rest of us will have to fend for themselves.


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>Sorry...I'm just mad.  

As Kitty said, you have a right to be.


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« Reply #5 on: Mar 09, 2004, 03:28:38 PM »
No sorries needed Indy...you have a right to be mad, as I am...HOW ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING that there are people in this world who treat children this way...what the hell is wrong with these people???  Why, in their minds, do they think it's "okay" to do things like this to innocent children that can't defend themselves.

It absolutely sickens me to the point of puking.:-(

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« Reply #6 on: Mar 09, 2004, 03:32:38 PM »
PD....I don't know how you do your job...but I commend you for having the stomach to take care of these poor, abused children that end up in your care...It must be so hard to watch them suffer because of their parents' neglect and damn stupidity.
How do you not get drunk more often???


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« Reply #7 on: Mar 09, 2004, 03:49:19 PM »
PD, I was once seriously considering going back to school to get my RN and specializing in emergency medicine, but from what little I've seen in the rural field of EMS in regards to child abuse (which isn't NEARLY as much as what you've seen), I don't think so now.  If I do, I will specialize in neonatology, where I can revel in the innocence of the beginning of life, instead of the systematic destruction of it.

I have the utmost respect and admiration of you and your colleagues who face these issues every day and still are able to get up and go at it for another day without going absolutely crazy.  You are a much stronger soul than I..................
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« Reply #8 on: Mar 09, 2004, 04:04:57 PM »
Kitty,

I cant stress enough how badly we need more nurses. In neonate work,, you still cant get away from the abuse hun,, crack babies are the most miserable infants Ive seen,, except the heroin kids. They cry uncontrollably for hours on end.

Several years ago, kiddosmom and I ended up with  her 6 day old niece, because mommy dearest was back in prison. The kid was a crack baby,, we spent many MANY nights up walking and rocking that child.

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« Reply #9 on: Mar 09, 2004, 05:02:56 PM »
I know, I know.  I used to do birth certificates in one of the largest hospitals in Sacramento.  I saw the births AND the deaths and the WHYS, too.  I worked for a Catholic hospital, who took anyone, regardless of ability to pay, so we got all the welfare folks.  And the users and abusers........

I live in a much more 'rural' area, but the nearest neonatal unit is in the hospital where I work, in one of the leading research and teaching universities in the country.  So this city, tho small (60,000+) sees its share of the evil, too.  But I still think the good and innocence outweighs the bad and evil.

I know nurses are needed, but until I find someone willing to pay my current salary and benefits PLUS my tuition so that I can even afford to go, it's out of the question for now.  Plus, I'm over 40...not sure if you can teach this old dog any new tricks, LOL!  Heck, I don't even know if I've got the energy!

I will tell you one thing I WILL be doing in the future!  When I retire, I will be volunteering at this hospital in the neonatal unit and the nursery as a cuddler, feeding, rocking, and holding babies ALL day long!  Now, THAT's my idea of heaven, LOL!
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« Reply #10 on: Mar 10, 2004, 05:54:06 AM »
This may sound stupid to you, but is there any way of making these "crack" babies better???   Do they ever get well???  I can't imagine doing that to a child and what the child must suffer.....

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« Reply #11 on: Mar 10, 2004, 08:50:10 AM »
i went in that house last night.  The landlord came over to get murderers cat, that assistant murdering mom gave me.  I didn't want the animal...it, too, has suffered abuse and is VERY mean.  I don't have the energy to "help" this cat. Anyway, he let me in because assistant murdering mom left on the 6 o'clock bus to Chicago.

pd.  i think i'm mad enough to cause myself some form of stroke.  my heart hurts.  i'm serious....it literally aches right now.  I can feel like this pain, this sharp ache.

When i was in there, I "felt" the baby.  Sent goosebumps up and down my body.  He's still there.  I gathered up all his things, and each "item" of his I put in a bag, I said goodbye.  When I was done with his things, I gathered up the 4 year olds things.  Same thing...goodbye.  Then, I was good and damned pissed.  (left a few broken dishes over there, too...I needed to throw something) So, I went through the entire house, tossed out all the murderers things, tossed out all of assistant murdering moms personal things.  Went through the kitchen, went through and packed up everything.  My front yard looks like a yard sale right now...I got all the "good" things out and am calling ARC today to ask that they pick it up.  I'm partial to ARC as my little brother is severly mentally retarded.  

My landlord said he would throw everything away when "he" goes through...and he knew "I" would find a better place for these childrens things.  Lucky me!  Not.  

I thought I was mad before this.  Now I'm even more angry.  She left all her childrens things.  She just left them all over the house.  Looks like she didn't even "bother" to bring her deceased childs "precious" things with her.  Maybe that's what mothers do when their child is brutally murdered...I don't know.

I decided to keep 2 things...don't know what to do with them, I just couldn't let them go.  A baby blanket with a duck popping out of an egg.  I remember seeing this covering him as assistant murdering mom had him in the stroller.  (when she "used" to walk with the kids before she met murderer) I don't know why she didn't bring that with her...it's obviously something special to him.  I also kept a can of these viena sausages.  I remember seeing him munch on those.  I'll keep them somewhere.  

pd....i learned yesterday his injuries.  The fatal ones and prior ones. I won't go into detail...the only thing I will say is the coroner believes there are numerous cigar burns on that babys feet...and that they're approximately 2 weeks old and not taken care of.  And mark my words...if she isn't extradited back to Colorado and charged also with child abuse resulting in death...well, let's just say...ya ain't seen shit yet.  I've been tossed in the middle of this mess...and since I'm involved, I will not only see it through, but I'll make DAMNED sure BOTH of these murderers are behind bars for a long time.  By any means necessary...she will go down as well.  

I tried to drink last night, but it didn't work.  I took a sip of wine but it just didn't "cut" it.  So, I guess I'm just going to be left with those nightmares, the anger, my testimony.  I "do" hug my kids more often now...I "do" try to be a better mom...i guess right now I'm just too f*cking angry for words.

My biggest "need" right now?  For someone to take my pain, my suffering, my anger...and transfer it to assistant murdering mom...I'll GLADLY take whatever she's feeling if it rids me of what I'm going through.  The woman hasn't cried.  

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Keep talking, Indy.............
« Reply #12 on: Mar 10, 2004, 09:44:42 AM »
To us if that's all you have available to you or to anyone you trust.  If the authorities have given you any info on victims, you also might find something there to help you, like PTSD treatment.

What you're experiencing is PTSD, it happens to anyone who goes thru some extremely traumatic experience.  And I bet you forgot one feeling, too.  Numbness.

Got some other things I want to mention, but I think I'll e-mail you instead.  Just don't stop talking, Indy..........
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« Reply #13 on: Mar 10, 2004, 10:52:04 AM »
I can't say I know how you are feeling Indy...and to be honest, I don't want to ever go through what you are going through right now....but, as I've heard quoted before by my dearest Grandmother..."God doesn't give you what you can't handle"...and my guess Indy, is that no matter how hard this is, God chose you to see it through because you are strong and have faith.  AND you are angry enough to see justice for that precious baby and his sister.  

Keep your chin up and I agree with Kitty...keep talking....

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This article goes into more detail than the one I read :-(
« Reply #14 on: Mar 10, 2004, 01:15:18 PM »
It's a sick world out there.

Instead, he fixes up the baby's bottle with sour milk and puts chili pepper in their food so they won't want to eat, Ramos said.

"Oscar, Carolina...time for dinner"!  Their punishment should fit the crimes.  All of their crimes.

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« Reply #15 on: Mar 10, 2004, 01:33:45 PM »
See a doctor, ASAP.  Heart attack symptoms differ between men and women.  Have you been throwing up?  Is your heart doing weird things when you're laying down?  Pain can radiate not only on your left side, but across your whole chest.  It can also feel like there is a cinderblock sitting on your chest.  Watch out for sudden intolerance to food that didn't give you problems in the past.  Check your pulse.  If it's racing you need to go get checked out.  

Please take care of yourself.  That poor baby is with Jesus now.  He will comfort him.  Even if this, I can't even call her a mother, is not punished by our laws, take comfort that she will answer to God for allowing this to happen.  Imo, a priest needs to come in and excorcise(sp) that house, if you feel a presence.  No flames please, anyone.  A horrible murder of an innocent baby was committed.  The house needs to be blessed, or torn down.  

I'm dead serious about seeing a doctor.  There is no shame in getting some medication to deal with what you're going through.

Crap, my eye is twitching and I forgot how to spell...

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« Reply #16 on: Mar 10, 2004, 01:51:08 PM »
It's all part of the same thing in my opinion. The country is being sold to the lowest bidder, along with the futures of our children. But the people who have done this are totally, 100% insulated from the effects of their money-grubbing, power-seeking, greed-based decisions. I'm speaking of course, of Congress, the President, and the heads of major corporations, none of whom give a rats ass about our children. Their kids will be provided for, but the rest of us will have to fend for themselves.

Have you checked out Kitty's overtime thread?  You should.  I have to agree with everything you said, except the war part.  The Iraqis have lived in a earthbound hell for the last 30 years.  Saddam and his ilk want to bury us.  I don't agree with all the money being spent over there, however these folks will hopefully make powerful US allies.  Don't ever forget who brought us 9/11.  We have to get them before they get us.  

This economic situation has me worried, too.  Right now I'm stuck, but I'm going to need to come up with a way to earn money when the probate circus is over...ie when the estate runs out of money to be stolen.  Preferably self employed, working at home.  Need to stay on top of my first full time job, ya know.

It actually crossed my mind to write college papers for students.  You know, like term papers?  Yeah, I could make some good money doing that, except one thing...it's unethical, immoral, and illegal.  Back to the drawing board.

Regular unleaded is now 2.20 per gallon for regular unleaded.  CA's air is special.  We need a special fuel mix.  Can't imagine why two big refineries that produce this special gasoline have shut down! Grrrrr...

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Kitty, you have email! (eom).
« Reply #17 on: Mar 10, 2004, 05:35:05 PM »
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« Reply #18 on: Mar 10, 2004, 09:45:42 PM »
I know its no consolation , but the nightmares do get more managable in time Indi. Some day, you may even sleep thru the night again.

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« Reply #19 on: Mar 12, 2004, 09:35:10 AM »
Indy, I'm so sorry you're going through this nightmare.  I can only imagine how horrifying this must be for you.  The others are right, you MUST take care of yourself...physically and mentally.  Get checked out by your doctor, find a good therapist/counselor to talk to, join a victims' support group.  PTSD is serious.  And your own family needs you to be well and strong for them!

I too am furious at how our society treats children, or rather mistreats them!!!  Despite all the rhetoric, child abuse hotlines, and abuse prevention organizations, when it comes down to it, no one really gives a crap.  Too many teachers and doctors are still unable to recognize any but the worst abuse cases, and are still unwilling to report to authorities.  And CPS doesn't do anything to really help anyway!  

I called CPS (anonymously) again a couple of weeks ago to see if they were willing to investigate the substantial decline in our grandkids' health status.  The kids are classified as severely malnourished and their body mass index is still plummeting off the low end of the growth chart, etc., etc.  A supervisor told me that IF CPS did investigate, and IF they removed the kids from the home, they would not necessarily be turned over to their Dad.  They would have to check out his situation first, and he lives several hundred miles away...out of state, which doesn't bode well for his chances.  

Then the guy told me that CPS's overall goal is to reunite the kids with their mom (who has abused and neglected them since their birth, and has been slowly starving them since they were infants).  

The kids were here for a week at Christmas and were extremely pale, the dark circles under their eyes are even larger now, their ribs are visible in the back as well as the front, thier limbs are like sticks, and one child's hair is visibly thinning in the front!  A family member remarked that the kids looked like they were from Ethiopia....yet no one in their state notices any of this!!  Not even their "Dr."!!!!

Still sending you my prayers!!!

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« Reply #20 on: Mar 13, 2004, 10:59:56 AM »
It took alot for the Granny to turn her in. Wish there were more people like her out there. She saved the lives of those kids.


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« Reply #21 on: Mar 13, 2004, 01:54:55 PM »
Its been shown that babies born addicted to crack,, have more emotional problems, do poorer in school and in general have a more difficult time adjusting.

There are exceptions,, but,, unfortunately, I dont get to see those.

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« Reply #22 on: Mar 13, 2004, 06:07:10 PM »
I don't envy your job PD, but I admire your strength to do it everyday...children are lucky if they are in your care...even the ones that don't have much hope....it brings me to tears to think that their OWN mothers put them in such agony.  Why does this happen???

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« Reply #23 on: Mar 14, 2004, 12:54:32 PM »
LOL,

Sweet, I mention this in another thread,, its lack of personal responsibility or accountability.

Actually, as far as my job,, I think different people are suited for different things. I admire the stregth it takes to wrk a 9-5 job, I couldnt hack it.


Crack cocaine has been shown to be the most addictive substance known to man. A user can be hooked within just a few doses. Heroin pales in comparison to crack for addictive qualities.

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« Reply #24 on: Mar 14, 2004, 01:13:36 PM »
-----Crack cocaine has been shown to be the most addictive substance known to man. -----

Absolutely!  When monster was sentenced to 120 days in jail, he ended up doing 42.  I assumed he would be "clean and sober"...NOT.  The first trip he made once released from jail was his crack dealer.  

I can't believe it...42 clean days and he went right back.  You aren't kidding when you say it's the most addictive.

ps.  did you get an email from me today?  My computer is messing up and I ended up hitting send 3 times, but nothing shows up in my sent file.

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« Reply #25 on: Mar 15, 2004, 04:27:25 PM »
Nope Indi,, no mail,, try it again.

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I agree, PD..........
« Reply #26 on: Mar 16, 2004, 11:29:13 AM »
When DS was in 6th grade, I accompanied his class on their annual fun field trip and talked extensively with one of his teachers, whom I've admired for MANY years (she also was his guidance counselor in elem.).  I told her that I could never do what she does, and she told me she could say the same for me!  I was astounded!  Even one of the IS computer geeks who supports our dept. has told me the same thing.

So the more I thought about it, I came to the same conclusion, PD.  there are those who lovingly attend our senior citizens and severely handicapped every day, all day.  But I learned a long time ago that's something I could never do.  My main thing is tiny babies and EMS, and knowing that there are those who cannot makes me realize just how vital that is.

We all have our own special talents.  It took me over 30 years to realize mine!  But they are all there within us. That's why we're all different and why God put us on this earth together.  Because of those unique, special talents, we NEED each other!
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