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Title: Trying to get custody of my son
Post by: MichiganDad on Oct 02, 2004, 05:13:37 PM
My son is 7 years old.  His mother and I have been divorced for 4 years.  We are both remarried.  Ever since the divorce I have had nothing but problems trying to see my son.  She has denied me visitation on countless occassions for no reason at all.  The court has given me back the missed time but has done nothing to show her that her actions are inappropriate and only hurt our son.  My son has on many occassions told me about his step father using excessive discipline while his mother does nothing.  He has relayed this information to anyone who will listen.  She has had child protective services called on her numerous times only to have them do nothing and accept her word that nothing is going on in the home.  She is an alcoholic which is what caused our marriage to come to an end and has now become a problem in her new marriage as well.  She has invited many different people to come live in her home with her husband and other children and in doing so makes my son give up his room so they will have somewhere to sleep.  This was also an issue when we were married.  She invited different family members to live with us all of the time, I finally put an end to it as it was very disruptive.  Her current husband has kicked her out of the house and let her back if she'll stop drinking.  This won't last long as I have already been through it with her.  I urged the court to order therapy for my son and they did nothing.  I took it upon myself to take him to a therapist as he is acting out quite often.  During one of his sessions he confided in the the therapist about his home life with his mother and talked about her drinking and the abuse by his stepfather to himself, his older sister and his baby sister as well as his mother.  When the therapist asked him to draw a picture of a happy life and a sad life, for his happy life he drew a picture of me, my current wife and his step sister and put a heart around it...for his sad life he drew a picture of his mother and a beer can with a box around it.  I have decided to go for full custody as I believe it would be in the best interest of my son to be in a stable environment where he doesn't have to worry about being "kicked out" of his home all of the time and he knows his bedroom is always his bedroom.  I believe he would do much better in our home.  There are so many other details that could be told but this is the short of it.  I would appreciate any useful information that I can get.
Title: RE: Trying to get custody of my son
Post by: DecentDad on Oct 04, 2004, 07:45:00 AM
Hi dad,

You need to figure out a way to get organized with all that information and build evidence around it via a credible witness's testimony (e.g., that therapist) or some other means (e.g., a private investigator's video tape, snapshots, testimony on what he observed, etc).

As you've experienced, your judge doesn't take you seriously.  This is a problem, and as long as you're self-representing, this will likely be the case.  Every time you approach the court without results, you dilute your ability to ever get a REAL HARD ruling.

After you build up evidence, retain an attorney and go for a modification of custody.

Get it done.... you know that your son is relying on you.

DD
Title: RE: Trying to get custody of my son
Post by: MichiganDad on Oct 04, 2004, 09:02:18 AM
I do have an attorney.  I actually just switched attorneys as my former attorney wasn't getting anything done and wasn't organized.  My current wife previously worked for a police dept and the detective that was there is now an attorney so she called him and we have retained him.  He is already working hard on this case and has taken pictures of the home and school and his view of the environment that my son is growing up in is "shitty".  I had my son over the weekend and when it came time to bring him back home his mother was not there and some one answered the phone and said he didn't know where she was or when she was coming home.  I then told this person that I was not going to drop my son off unless she was there.  She ended up calling 10 minutes later.  My wife dropped him off and then called to make sure she knew he was there and that he may come down ill this week as her daughter was sick over the weekend.  Her current husband would not let her speak to her and my wife just hung up. He then called me and threatened me and said he wished I would have been there to drop him off because he would have kicked my ass and said that he will get me one of these days. He then told me never to call there again to talk to my son.  He's a 26 yr old idiot that feels the need to come between my relationship with my son.  I am currently getting a PPO against him as her current husband would not hesitate to act on his threats in front of my son.  I have written the friend of the court so they are aware of this.  I just am sick of dealing with this whenever I want to speak to my son and be a part of his life.
Title: RE: Trying to get custody of my son
Post by: DecentDad on Oct 04, 2004, 09:26:47 AM
Yeah, sounds like a mess.

Is your ex-detective friend a family law attorney?  That's critical.

Does your ex wife get drunk at home or at bars?  If the latter, your ex-detective friend probably knows some private investigators who can document her drinking at a bar then driving herself home (and doing that many times).  Or perhaps your ex-detective still has ties with the police department and be able to arrange to have your ex pulled over for DUI in such situation.

Keep your eye on the long-term ball, and try not to react to the BS going on right now with your ex wife and her husband.

Send your ex-wife a certified letter, advising her that her husband is threatening you with physical violence and interfering with your relationship with your son.  Send a copy to your attorney.

Be sure to be documenting all of this for future use too.

DD
Title: And do your research!
Post by: VeronicaGia on Oct 05, 2004, 09:54:36 AM
go here:  http://www.michiganlegislature.org/mileg.asp?page=chapterIndex

Start with Chapter 722 - Children

Title: RE: And do your research!
Post by: MichiganDad on Oct 05, 2004, 04:50:52 PM
Thank you for the web site.  I cannot seem to get the school to contact me at all.  I faxed the letter that was reccommended to request my childs records and asked that the principal contact me.  She still hasn't.  I sent the letter by certified mail as well.  I just don't understand why the school cannot contact me regarding my son. I don't know if my ex has someone there that she knows or if she has told the school lies about me which wouldn't suprise me at all.  They have to supply me with his records by law.  I just feel very frustrated all around.
Title: RE: And do your research!
Post by: Stepmom0418 on Oct 05, 2004, 05:18:58 PM
Dont give up on getting the school records!! It took Dh a while to get SS records too but now DH has weekly email contact with SS teacher!


We had to go as far as to threaten to contact the STATE board of education to finally get the school to send the records. In which we also metioned and attorney that can and will take action if that is what it takes!


It is very frusterating but keep pushing! And one other suggestion....call the school and demand to talk to the principal and or the superintendent. Maybe they dont think you are serious in your requests because you have not "made the call".

Dont give up......Let the school know that you are not one that is going to back down from this and that the law states that you can have access to the records!!

PS there is a great letter here on this site to use when the school is not wanting to give you info..

GOOD LUCK!
Title: RE: Trying to get custody of my son
Post by: MichiganDad on Oct 06, 2004, 05:14:43 PM
She is an at home drinker.  Not easy to catch and a very good liar.  She can turn on the tears when she thinks it will help get her what she wants and unfortunately it usually works.  My attorney believes that with all of the denial of parenting time violations she has that it will help my case along with the therapists input from what she has learned from my son about his mother. I just hope it all comes together and the judge will consider everything that has happened.  The step father is violent and has a history of assault.  I'm worried that one of these days he's going to follow through with his threats and that he will do it in front of my son.  He already doesn't care what he says to me in front of him.  I did send a letter to friend of the court requesting court ordered phone calls so that I may talk to my son during the two weeks that he is away from me.
Title: RE: And do your research!
Post by: Tunie on Oct 06, 2004, 05:24:25 PM
How long has it been since you sent that certified letter requesting school records? They have 45 days in which to ante up.
Title: School Records Request
Post by: MichiganDad on Oct 06, 2004, 05:36:34 PM
It has only been a couple days but you would think that they would call after it was faxed to them.  It amazes me that they would not even call back.  Should I be sending a copy to the Friend of the Court as well to make them aware of this?  I'm going to try to call again tomorrow maybe it will take letting them know that I have an attorney that will handle this as well as letting them know that I will report it to the state board of education.  It's ridiculous that it is this hard to get my son's records.  I have a custody mediation hearing in November with Friend of the Court but I know this will not be mediated and will have to go to court because she doesn't want to give up custody.  It would make her look bad if she lost one of her children.  It's always about her and how she appears in other peoples eyes.  At one point she told my former attorney that if I gave her $800 that she would give up custody. How crazy is that?  
Title: RE: Trying to get custody of my son
Post by: DecentDad on Oct 06, 2004, 09:01:57 PM
Good luck with all of it.

Though I wouldn't wish any pain or suffering on you, in the long run, it actually may not be a bad thing if he attacked you in front of son.  Talk about taking a fast-track to get him out of son's life (i.e., he would either have to leave the home, or you could argue emergency change of custody due to his presence).

DD
Title: RE: School Records Request
Post by: Stepmom0418 on Oct 07, 2004, 04:21:25 AM
I would try and call and speak to the school personally.....If you then get the cold shoulder let them know that you will have your attorney contact them and you will be contacting the state board of education as well.


Here is a page that quotes the law. Maybe if you recite that to the school they would be more likely to respond. They can not deny you the records UNLESS there is a court order that specifically revokes those rights!


http://www.deltabravo.net/custody/reportcards.htm


It took SS's school about 3 weeks to finally respond to DH. DH sent a letter that included the court order that gives him joint legal custody as well as a ton of emails. The finally sent the information out when Dh mentioned contacting his attorney and the State Board of Education. Once we got the information we found that SS had missed over 70 days of school in a 2 year period. We have also found that SS scores are really low due to him not being at school.

Now DH has weekly contact with SS teacher and she has been very helpful this year in telling DH what we need to be working on to help SS reading level.

It was very frusterating for DH when the school wouldn't send the information to him. Come to find out BM had told school that SS's father was not in his life. BM has been doing anything in her power to try and keep DH out of SS's life.

BM even went as far as telling the courts that SS is scared to death of me and DH! Of course the she asked for supervised visits. We went to court and fought it and it came out in our favor.

Since that did not work she just stated denying visits all together. We seen SS last weekend for the first time in 5 weeks due to her denial. SS was VERY happy to see us and told us that he had heard alot of bad things about us but he does not believe any of the things he was told.

BM is doing all of these things (plus many i did not mention) and we have a final trial date of Feb 9th and 10th. We have our fingers crossed that the judge sees what she is doing and will detirmine that physical custody be with Dh with visitation to BM.

Keep pushing the school!! Dont give up no matter what! You never know what those records might tell!
Title: RE: School Records Request
Post by: MichiganDad on Oct 07, 2004, 02:41:14 PM
Hi, this is the step mom now and we sure do appreciate all of the advice.  I wish we had found this site a lot sooner.  The principal of the school did contact my husband today finally.  I think after the certified letter she decided it would be a good idea.  She told my husband that the records were being sent out today and that if he provided stamped self addressed envelopes that she would make sure to mail him weekly.  The ex did allow her son to call his father last night which amazes me.  I think from now on we will bring down a video camera just in case the stepfather decides to act on his threats.  I've been looking into a phone recorder for a cell phone and will hopefully be getting that soon.  Those conversations would help out alot I believe.  It would finally give us some proof.  We were just so naive to all of things that can be done to prove our point but now that we have some good advice we will put it to work for us.  My husband just gets so negative with this whole situation because nothing ever seems to work in his favor or for the best interest of his son.  After the therapist discovered all of the things that were happening at the house and recommended he not be returned there we kept him for three weeks until his ex filed an ex parte pick up order.  Unfortunately the judge that was hearing cases that day was not a family law judge, he was a sit in so he didn't care why we had kept him and gave him right back to the mother.  It was unbelievable.
Title: RE: School Records Request
Post by: Stepmom0418 on Oct 08, 2004, 03:39:58 AM
I wish you the best of Luck! Some of the judges out there dont care or just dont understand. Keep us updated on your situation.
Title: Had a friend deal with just that situation...
Post by: smtotwo on Oct 08, 2004, 11:35:17 AM


Friend marries man with 2 kids, his ex also remarries.

Usually bull, denied visits, no phone contact, threats of violence.

In court for comtempt judge orders family counseling for all 4 parties.

At the FIRST counseling session ex's new husband hits friends husband, IN THE COUNSELING SESSION!!

Friend and husband file emergency order and custody is transferred to them THAT DAY.

How truly ignorant are some people?