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Title: costody right
Post by: larryg on Oct 30, 2004, 09:35:08 AM
hi all,i am a new user here. i am looking for advice concerning costody of my son . his mother and i where never married.she left when he was about a 1 1/2 old and he has been with me for 9yrs.she has been getting visitaion on weekends and holidays.now that he is older she is trying to get me to let him live with her. saying that he wants to goto school with his brother.which is not my son so thier for it tech.is step brother.he is 5yrs older n he is not in the same grad level.so this is her reason for him to be with her. i am concerned about her trying for costody.should i file for costody first.thier where no problems in the past over this matter but its gettibg worse.i let her see him every weekend  and share holidays.is this fair? and she pays no childsupport n i dont ask her to. i have been the primary care figure for him all these yrs but i am worried about lossing him in court any help or suggestions?    
Title: RE: costody right
Post by: ocean on Oct 30, 2004, 12:24:27 PM
Do you have any court papers regarding custody at all? How far apart are you two now? Depending on your answers we can help you more.  :)
Title: RE: costody right
Post by: larryg on Oct 30, 2004, 03:50:15 PM
thxs for a respons no  niether of us have any papers it just been this way.she recently moved to PA  maybe 1yr or 6month.she use to live in MD which is where i live currently.  
Title: RE: costody right
Post by: MYSONSDAD on Oct 30, 2004, 07:56:26 PM
March your butt to the county courthouse and file ASAP. Then start getting your documents together showing that your son has been in YOUR care. School, medical records and anything else that comes to mind.

MD will have jurisdiction.

"Children learn what they live"
Title: RE: costody right
Post by: larryg on Oct 30, 2004, 08:58:14 PM
oky thxs for the input.should i get a lawyer before i go file for temp custody or after.dose it matter? as far as i understand the parent that files for temp custody first will get it till court hearing. is this true or false? cuase i plan on filing for it monday morning
Title: RE: costody right
Post by: joni on Oct 30, 2004, 09:03:35 PM

get a lawyer
Title: RE: costody right
Post by: larryg on Oct 31, 2004, 07:04:10 AM
wont it take a lawyer a few days to file temp custody? i am thinking of filing for it then get a lawyer  to handel the case but at least i will have custody to keep her from it first.
Title: RE: custody right
Post by: ocean on Oct 31, 2004, 08:01:45 AM
I am with you on this one...but you will have to say why you want an immediate temporary hearing...(like you fear mom will keep son after her weekend...).   You can go to a FAMILY lawyer on Monday and they can either do it for you or you can tell them to tell you exactly what to write down. "I have been child's only care giver, attends school in MD, have family here, visits with mom never a problem, i keep mom informed of all school and medical decisions." You will also have to come up with a detailed visitation plan that you want including holiday's and summers. It can be " we will continue the pattern of the last __ years. It will be as follows:______. " Since she is out of state, that is a plus for right now. You NEED to do this ASAP. If she does not have vistation until the weekend...you have 5 days to do this :) Do you think she is serious about filing before you? If you do go in with this, CS should be discussed as well. Let the lawyer take care. Good luck and let us know what happens! We all learn from everyones stories!
Title: RE: custody right
Post by: larryg on Oct 31, 2004, 08:14:58 AM
you hit the nail on the head.that is exactly what i am fearing that she will not return him on sunday.i will know for sure if she dont bring him back tonight.weather she will fight for custody hard to say but she knows i wont let him live with her.she asked me firday night after she got him.actually she had him call n ask if he could live with her.before she picked him up he said nothing was happy n outside playin. i have talked to lawyers in the past n CS is a given even if party dont want it. thxs for your advice.
Title: RE: costody right
Post by: LizaLou1 on Nov 01, 2004, 10:43:12 AM
I suggest file yourself Monday as planned.  Then get the lawyer.  Sometimes it takes days to weeks before an attorney get documents filed.  Your attorney can amend your filing IF necessary, otherwise, he can pickup where you left off.

LizaLou
Title: RE: costody right
Post by: larryg on Nov 01, 2004, 11:11:34 AM
hi all i went to the court and filed for custody.now i have to wait for summons to be sent so i can serve her with all papers.plan on doing it by mail sense she lives in pa.talked to lawyer n suggested temp custody he asked if she was unfit or anything i said no but she might pick him up n not return him.he asked if she has before n i said no.so i think his point is dont file for temp unless i have reason .i thought i might by the fact that she can pick him up n not return him.also i filed for sole pysical and joint legal.i dont mind her being in his life or helping with decision on his life.its not my intent to keep her away or lower her visitation.thxs all for ur advice during this strees full time.when my son came home last night i asked him if she mentioned anything about courts or lawyers, he said that she told him if we goto court he has to tell the judge that he wants to live with her.she is already coehursting him into what to say.and i dont want him to worry bout  it.
Title: RE: costody right
Post by: msme on Nov 01, 2004, 12:04:22 PM
Number 1, find a different lawyer. This one isn't interested in looking out for you & your son's best interests. You need to find a lawyer who is a Board Certified Family Law & Custody  Specialist. There are too many out there who will take your money, do nothing & then say that it is too bad but mom's win most of the time, anyway. Been there, done that.

I don't think that I would serve her by mail. She doesn't have to accept a certified letter & it can take up to 3 weeks before you get it back & know that she didn't get it. This is too important. It should cost somewhere around $100 or less to have her served. Spend the money & have the piece of mind that it is done, properly.

Tell your son that what is going on is strictly for the adults & you will not discuss it with him. Also tell him that it is not about what either parent wants but about what is best for him as he grows up. I would also send her a very polite letter, asking her to refrain from discussing the court issues with the child or from attempting to influence him, as this is not good for him.

Next, document, document, document. You will hear this alot & you can't do it too much. Start a journal & write down everything that you & the child do. Also go back & write down all the things that you have done for & with him over the years. Try to remember all the details that led to her leaving & also the details about her return to visit.

Going through your photo albums will help you to remember a lot of things. Just remember that you have been a good dad for all these years & she cannot just decide that she suddenly start playing mommy & make all the rules. But she can sure try.

Good luck & God bless

You never get a second chance to make a first impression!
Title: RE: costody right
Post by: Lawmoe on Nov 02, 2004, 06:22:57 AM
If custody has never been established, you should certainly file for it now. The past pattern of conduct is squarely in your favor.  As part of that process, you will aso establish parenting time schedules and child support obligations. Waiting is only likely to erode the advantage that you currently seem to have.

most cases where the parents are unable to agree on custody, the court will require a custody evaluation performed. This may be carried out by county social workers, psychologists or a Guardian Ad Litem.  A Guardian Ad Litem is a person that is appointed by the Court to represent the interests of a person who is unable to do so for themselves. In the context of a custody case, the Guardian Ad Litem acts as a spokesperson regarding what the Guardian believes is in the child's best interests.

REPORTS

The person performing the evaluation will investigate the facts and generate a report that is provided to the Court. The report will usually include a summary of the investigation, an analysis of the custody factors set out in your state's Statutes and a conclusion regarding what is in the child(ren)'s best interests.  

THE USE OF CUSTODY EVALUATIONS

The Court is not required to adopt the recommendations of a custody evaluator. However, in most custody cases, the parties have very polar positions regarding the facts. This often boils down to a "He Said - She Said" Situation at trial. Where the evaluation was performed by a person appointed by the Court, the evaluator is considered a neutral party and their recommendation may hold considerable weight with a Judge who must weigh conflicting testimony. To combat an unfavorable custody report, your attorney will try to point out the deficiencies of the investigation performed and facts that may have been overlooked by the evaluator. It is may also be necessary to hire your own expert to conduct a separate custody evaluation and present a different recommendation at trial.  

POWERS OF THE EVALUATOR

The custody evaluator often has broad power and may require the parties to provide releases of information for counseling, medical or psychological records. The evaluator may also require psychological testing, chemical dependency evaluations or random urinalysis tests as part of the investigation process. This is particularly true when one parent raises concerns about the other parent's chemical dependency or emotional stability.

CUSTODY STUDY ELEMENTS

Although each custody evaluator may have a slightly different approach to performing custody evaluations there are some things you should expect :

Initial Interview with Evaluator.

At the initial interview, the evaluator will discuss at length the past history of care with the child. The evaluator will attempt to determine who was the primary caretaker. BE PREPARED! At the initial interview arrive prepared with a chronology of events clearly set out.          

Home Visit(s).

The evaluator will make at least one home visit to watch you interact with your child(ren). The evaluator is watching to see:

Whether you actively play with and interact with your child;

Whether you set appropriate boundaries for the child and whether the child obeys those boundaries;

Discipline used

Child's reaction to the parent:  

Condition of the home environment.  

Collateral Contacts.

The evaluator will ask for a list of persons that you think the evaluator should contact. Family members are usually not good contact since they may be biased in your favor. Where possible use independent contacts such as counselors, daycare providers, and school teachers.

Alcohol Assessments.  

Where there are allegations of alcohol or drug abuse, the evaluator may refer you to a counselor for a chemical dependency evaluation. It is important that you cooperate in that process.

Psychological Evaluations.

Where there are allegations of emotional or anger problems, the evaluator may refer you to a counselor or psychologist for a psychological evaluation. It is important that you cooperate in that process. Make sure that you communicate with the evaluator or counselor regarding any and all appointments. Budget enough time to complete and testing that is required. A failure to cooperate will appear in the evaluation.

INTERACTING WITH THE EVALUATOR

How you interact with the custody evaluator may be a critical element of your custody case.  

T          Custody evaluators will oftentimes make you believe that they agree with your side of the case. This is done so that you drop your guard. Never assume that the evaluator's report will favor your position.

T          Custody evaluators are also people. That means they react to personalities. You are best able to present your case to an evaluator if you appear open and honest.

T          Do not argue with the evaluator. Make eye contact and listen when they speak. This establishes a connection. It may help to nod your head as they speak even if you disagree with what they are saying. When you disagree, tell them "I see your point, but..." or agree first "I agree, but would you consider this to be important...."

T          The custody evaluator does not care about good guys and bad guys. The evaluator cares about what is in the "best interests of the child(ren)." To relate your case to the evaluator, you must speak his/her language. Your statements must relate in some way to what is best for the child not the parent. For example, the statement, "my husband drinks too much", is incomplete. It does not relate how the drinking affects the child(ren). Always relate how the conduct affects the child(ren). A better statement would be:

           

"My husband drinks too much. Because of that, he is rarely home and when he is, he is:.... abusive....spends little quality time with the children....is unable to help the kids with their homework...."

T          Provide the evaluator with the documents supporting your statements.

T             Provide the evaluator with the names of collateral contacts, people who are aware of your strong points as a parent and the other party's weak points. (It is usually better not to include relatives as part of your contacts since they may have a bias).

T            ALWAYS ASSUME when you go to court or visit a custody evaluator that you may be ordered to provide a urine sample for testing to determine if you have used drugs or alcohol.

PRESENTING YOUR CASE TO THE EVALUATOR

Remember, there are six magic words in custody evaluations.- "Best Interests of the Minor Child". Custody evaluators listen for issues that relate to that phrase. You should relate how each of your proposals is beneficial to your child(ren). Wherever possible use phrases that mean "best interest of the minor child" without using those exact words. Using the exact words sounds too legalistic and prepared. Your statements should sound more natural.

There are certain things that evaluators look for in their custody evaluation. You should discuss these issues with the evaluator truthfully since the evaluator will, to a degree, assess your credibility. The issues you should be prepared to raise are the following:  

Primary Caretaker.

Where has the child lived since birth? What was the extent of contact each parent had at each phase of the child's life? What responsibilities did each parent have?

The best way to support the contention that you provided care for the minor child is through independent documentation. The other parent will no doubt contradict your assertions that you provided much of the care. Independent documentation may include:  

Daycare or school records demonstrating drop off and pick ups or attendance at parent-teacher conferences. Even if you do not have documents demonstrating attendance at school functions at least verify the dates of the conferences and familiarize yourself with the daycare provider's or teacher's names. The more information you are able to provide in that regard the more credible you will appear as an active parent.

Medical records may document which parent brought the child in for a medical or dental appointment. If you can acquire these records prior to meeting with the evaluator, do so.  

Homework assignments or report cards may require a parental signature before they are submitted at school. That signature may provide independent verification that the parent reviewed or was actively involved in the child's schooling. Wherever possible acquire and retain these documents. Provide them to the custody evaluator to support your claims that you were actively involved in the child(ren)'s schooling.  

Be able to relate who the child(ren)'s friends are and what activities they enjoy in detail.

Stability.

The evaluator will be interested in which parent is able to provide the greater stability for the child. Stability includes a stable residence and a stable job. You may wish to document the ways in which you have provided greater stability in the past. You obviously will not emphasize those areas that do not favor you.

To effectively present the areas where you have provided or are able to provide more stability, you may wish to create a detailed charts. Visual aids help to present a clear picture to the evaluator. For example you may wish to create a chronological chart regarding each parent's residence and how many times the child has changed residences or schools. You may also wish to create a summary of each parent's employment to demonstrate stable financial circumstances. Independent verification is also very helpful. Where possible, you may wish to procure documents demonstrating residence changes such as leases, purchase agreements or real estate taxes.

Endangerment or Neglect.  

If you are raising issues of endangerment you must relate specific incidents. Endangerment may be physical, emotional or developmental. A calendar may be helpful to document the dates of the incidents. Documentation can carry critical weight with this type of allegation. Documents may include:

Medical reports documenting injuries from abuse or lack of supervision;

Medical reports documenting complications because of neglect - health issues such as asthma from cigarettes smoke or lice from lack of hygiene;

Police reports relating to police calls to the other parent's home;

Child protection reports;

Counseling records for the child or the parent;

Criminal or driving record of the other parent;

Criminal or driving record of individuals that have significant contact with the minor child(ren);

School records may document attendance problems, school performance problems, counseling issues or erratic child behavior while in the other parent's care or after returning from the other parent's care.  

                       

REMEMBER:    Endangerment only exists if you tie the other parent's conduct into the child's care and the child's best interests. For example, if you allege the other parent has an alcohol problem. It only will be effective if you can relate specific incidents where the alcohol use or abuse affected the minor child(ren). (eg. The parent passed out on the couch while the child played unsupervised. The parent drove the child in the car while intoxicated. The parent was out partying consistently while the child was be cared for by a stranger.)

Parenting Plan.  

The custody evaluator will want to know what your proposal is for parenting. You should be prepared with research, facts and answers. You may wish to write out your answers to the following questions so that your response seems thought out. Do not over prepare, your response should not sound mechanical. The answers should include:

Where will the child live? Why is that in the child's best interests?

What school will the child attend? Why is that in the child's best interests?    

What will your work schedule be?

Will that allow you sufficient time to supervise the child?

What schedule do you propose for the other parents?

How does that schedule provide stability?

Why is that schedule in the child's best interests?

(Remember: The custody evaluator is also looking at which parent is more likely to facilitate contact with the other parent. If you appear to be an unreasonable obstructionist with regard to the other parent's contact, it may be used against you.)    

PARENTING NOTEBOOKS.

In a custody proceeding it is important to maintain a notebook including dates that events occur relating to the care of your child(ren). What is the daily routine? Who takes them to the doctor? Who takes them to school activities? List any concerns regarding the other party's parenting including the method of discipline, drug use, alcohol use, disabilities or neglect.