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and I didn't get much rest -- yep, a bit upset at reading the thread below.

G8dad had an uphill battle to remain part of his children's lives and has been here for quite a while.

Olanna too has been around here for quite sometime -- like since the beginning of time for this board -- and I guess that's the basic reason I was "shocked" to read G8dad's subject line that started with "Sorry, you need help" followed by what I consider a sarcastic apology.

I too have been here since the "beginning of time" and I have said before that as an NCP Mother -- I never felt like I fit on a board or part of a board totally.

Butterfly, Gecko, and TM -- said it quite well below in their posts....

And I still don't feel like on many boards I "fit" as an NCP Mom....  I was just reading something again yesterday that said there are 15 million NCP Dads, but there are also 3 million NCP moms.  Maybe later today, I'll go find the link to the newspaper article and post it --don't have time right now.

Take a look at what "Kitten" did with "Olanna" in the other thread -- I haven't seen a Father get asked over and over again about "WHY" he doesn't have custody -- and there you have a perfect example of a real difference that an NCP/Mom experiences.

Another title -- which could be considered more appropriate -- was also discussed -- and I have to disagree and wish to share my personal experience as to why.

On another board (divorcesource), there is a "Mother's" board along with lots of others.  Well, as many here know, my EX's fake-wife followed me to this board and also posted to me at two other boards (divorcenet and divorcesource and I could add more since then).  Our interactions were mainly on the "Mother's" board and at one point I told her that she didn't belong there......and of course, she disagreed.

I couldn't get her to understand that SHE is not the mother to my son, I am.  And that if she had issues concerning my son (and me) that it comes from (at most) the (fake) STEP-MOTHER's point of view -- and there was another board for that.

She said "But I'm a mother too (she has other children) and therefore I belong here."

I said "Yes, you're a mother, BUT the father to your two older children killed himself -- you didn't divorce him, so you never had to co-parent with someone where they are concerned, particularly with someone whom you've divorced.  The father to your daughter was cut out of her life until she turned 6 when you finally TOLD the father that he was a daddy -- and by then you two were living together.  The father to your son was born after you moved in.  So none of your situations are as a CP/Mom....due to a divorce."

Of course, she disagreed.

I've also ran across the "You must have done SOMETHING to loose custody" from the Principal of my son's school.  She even went as far as to say "You abandoned him" -- which is just parroting my EX and his fake-wife -- namely fake-wife.  Now, how many father's have been told they "abandoned" their child?  NCP status is accepted for fathers.  Not that I agree with that totally, and one at a time, this board helps improve life for the kids which includes keeping FATHER's as part of the children's lives.

Unfortunately, I won't participate even on this board because my EX and his fake-wife are still reading and printing off everything I post on these boards.  Then it gets passed on to DH's EX......and both of our boys suffer.  

And kitten, before you ask, NO, I did not give up custody, I was blackmailed into my decision.  The military cares about your personal life where was my EX's employer doesn't give a hoot.  My EX and fake-wife have told everyone that I abandoned my son -- and when I get the feeling that I've run into someone like that -- In about 20 words or less, I explain what really happened -- tell them the truth -- and let them get what they deserves after that.  They shouldn't have lied in the first place.

That doesn't mean I'm done learning.....

Every once in a while, I meet another NCP Mom.....so we're out here, and I commend this site for creating this board.  Many of our challenges ARE the same, but there are still differences.

If I sign paperwork stating that I can't take my EX back to court, will it HOLD UP in court if there's a change in circumstance six months from now or a year from now?

I think the answer is that I can.

Thanks!

State:  AL

1.  Has there been a new law or an addendum to the old law regarding the "Privacy Act of 1974"?

2.  And where would I find it on-line?

Happened in AL.

Owner of the car lives in IN.

Driver of the car me and I live in AL.

This weekend, I was at a stand still waiting to cross a busy road, when I was hit as a truck was turning right off the busy road.  He made his turn too wide.

Truck slowed down, but the driver never stopped and got out.  Dad and I did "everything" I could think of (like chased him down the street) but he ended up backing down the street and took off.

I did get the license plate number of the truck.

Police responded, took down info, but they can't find the truck.  It wasn't parked at the address that came back when they looked up the tag.

Dad will report to his insurance and has uninsured motorist coverage.

Police pointed out that owner of the truck might not have been driver of the truck.  Since he didn't cooperate, I have no idea who the driver is.

1.  Is there anything that we can do?

2.  Who would be responsible for the damage done to dad's car?  (driver or owner or both?)

Thanks!

WV

Per court order, I am required to reimburse EX for gasoline expenses when he has to pick up our son from the airport.  I sent EX a personal check for reimbursement via priority confirmed delivery.  UPS says it was delivered 1/11/06.  Check still hasn't cleared my account.

1.  How long do you recommend I wait?

2.  And what action would you recommend?

may I send you an e-mail since my EX reads the boards with some more background?

State:  Irrelevant (I think).


1.  If NCP still lives in the state that granted the divorce, and the CP (with child) moved to another state (a long time ago), would jurisdiction for contempts stay in the original state since the NCP still lives there?


Don't both parents (CP and NCP) have to move out of the state and then jurisdiction follows the CP with child after 6 months for contempt and custody issues?

Recently you posted a site that you use to find cases....

And tonight I found mine in less than 10 minutes after searching for hours on the public site for a case that I KNOW I read and just can't seem to find....

Thanks for sharing your knowledge here -- and I look forward to Nov 05.

Friend of mine is in GA.

She has mental health bills -- dad is supposed to reimburse her for medical and dental bills, but the decree doesn't specify mental health.

1.  Are mental health bills considered "medical" in the eyes of a court?

Thanks!

From a post below, you said:

"Either that, or the attorney will withdraw, which will be good evidence for you, that your ex was actually intent on continuing to willfully fail to cooperate, and that the attorney could not, in good conscience, defend the behavior going forward."

How would you use that in court?

Or are you using the word "evidence" just to say "that's a good sign"....

Thanks!

State is AL.

Divorce age of emancipation is 19.

Legal age to get a loan is 19.

Person passed out at high school was seen in the emergency room in Nov 01.  The ambulance came and got him at school and took him.  We have to call because I'm not sure if the person was 17 or 18 on the day of the visit because they don't remember exactly what day it was AND their birthday also falls in November.  

There's an entry in their credit report for an outstanding medical bill which brought up this whole question.

No insurance coverage at all.

1.  If he was a minor (17) on the day of the hospital visit, can he be made responsible for the bill?

2.  Or if he was 18 since the age for loans and divorces is 19 in Alabama?

3.  Whom would I call or where would I look to find out the legal age for this stuff -- because the Hospital is just gonna say "He's responsible."

If a parent intercepts mail sent to a minor child, isn't this against the law?

And if so, which law?  

And who presses charges?

This morning my MD/Amanda shared what happened last week with me.

She just got a cell phone and wanted to call her half-brother, Michael.

I think she said she was driving, so she put it on speaker phone and called. Camilla answered the phone and she said "May I please speak with Michael?" Camilla said -- not to Amanda, but she heard her -- "the *itch is on the phone" and then my son came to the phone.

Amanda said "Hey Michael, this is Amanda." And Michael said "Hi Amanda!" Camilla heard what Michael said -- and SHE said "Oops" -- which Amanda could hear in the background.

(We (OD, MD, and I) put up with this all the time, so no surprise there!).

But here's what I want to really pass on....

Amanda had the phone on SPEAKER phone and two of her friends (Bobby and Patrick) were there with her. All THREE of them heard the whole thing. So what I really have is THREE witnesses who could testify in court as to what Camilla said when Amanda called and when she called Michael to the phone.

So -- to those of you who also have problems documenting WHAT is said on the phone and record everything -- I suggest you use a speaker phone and to have someone else sitting right there next to you. It's got to be easier to get them on the witness stand in court to testify to what was said by each part as opposed to having a certified transcription entered into evidence along with the original tape.

(And yes, I'm using first names in this post -- no last names -- so people understand my example -- but unless you know me personally or know a last name, no one's "safety" has been jeopardized).

Once again, Carole, I get to say goodbye to you on this site.

You were told to leave when you posted as AmyLynn and Observer approximately a year ago, and you have been shut down again.

(FYI:  Carole is my EX#2's fake-wife)

Your post back to me about my daughter's wedding invitations was out of line and I already said I may have "stepped in it".

Your post back to me about the fact that I am a STEP-Grandmother and not just a grandmother sealed your fate.  

Once again -- you choose to fight my husband's EX's battles for her instead of your own.  Why didn't you tell these folks at the same time that the MATERNAL Grandmother hasn't even held her grandchild???  Oh I could go on, but my SS will only suffer in the end.

I challenge you to tell the truth.

Tell them that you are NOT Mrs. J -- and only Mrs. G....from your first and only legal husband who committed suicide.

Tell them that you are NOT my son's Bio-mother and go back and correct all the records where you claimed to be his mother.  Yep, I've seen them and they exist.  I challenge you to retrace your steps and tell the truth.

And start being that "bonus mother" instead of the "replacement mother" -- you only make yourself look like the fool when you call Michael to the phone and say "It's MixedBag for you!"  Instead of "Michael, it's your MOM!"

And yes, I'll be checking up on you and you will always be looking over your shoulder to find me watching you.

I had to cancel a credit card today and get a new number.

They had me answer a few security questions.

One was:

What month was Camilla G born in?

Now -- who wants to guess the significance of THAT question?







yes, scroll.....









Camilla G is EX#2's Girlfriend/fake-wife!

And G is her married name from her first husband -- she actually goes by Camilla J -- to fake the marriage, and her maiden name is a completely different one.

I flipped out.

Yes, I did.

I said WHERE did you come up with these questions and HOW come you're asking me questions about my second EX-husband's Girlfriend???

She said they were computer generated and that their company does not generate them.

I said well the answer is May -- good thing I'm a nosey busybody, otherwise, HOW am I supposed to know?

Something similar happened before -- I got asked "At which address has EX#1 owned property?" -- only they used his first name and last name. I said "That's my EX-husband from 18 years ago, and the answer is none of the above, but you probably have A as right -- but that's a military base housing address and he didn't OWN the property." She said "You're right and I have no idea how this happens."

So.....I guess we are forever linked.....and thank goodness I have "too much free time on my hands" and have researched Camilla beyond first and last name.

I sure as he!! hope she hasn't tried anything underhanded considering I was cancelling my credit card.

you have an e-mail with important news

Hope you're enjoying your girls and that you have a speedy recovery on your shoulder!!!

I'm posting this here (instead of on the Mother's Board) even though I'm posting this as a NCP/BM mainly because it happens to both fathers and mothers who are NCPs...

Called today to speak to my son....fake-wife answers the phone and once again I simply ask "May I speak to M please?"

Fake-wife puts the phone down and I clearly hear her call me a Bitch and then a few seconds later my son gets on the phone and says "Hi Mom!"

So typical...so predictable.....

The song line "the bitch is back" keeps going through my head, but then I think "Nope, she never left" and nope, I will never leave.

And I encourage other NCPs to stand their ground too and not to be run off by -- the bitches (or bastards) who answer the phone and can't maintain their composure in front of your children.....the kids know what's going on and one day the CPs will learn about their mistakes when it's too late for them.

Some time ago, I remember a thread or something -- maybe an article -- about how a financial institution (in this case a hospital) can't come after the NCP if the CP is the one who took them to the hospital.

Something about the fact that the NCP didn't sign on the dotted line and authorize any care, and that at the end of the day, the person who took the child to the hospital is the one ultimately responsible to the hospital for the bill.

Maybe it was in a discussion about having stuff removed from your credit report -- where a hospital puts a bad mark on the NCPs credit report that was created by the CP.

KittyC....remember this?

I have an order that basically says that I don't have to give my cell phone number to my son's Dad (mainly because he -- or rather fake-wife -- give it to DH's EX who calls me at all hours of the day to cuss me out).

But yesterday he got it -- he says from his Caller ID...hmmm...*67 was supposed to block that.

So I already called Verizon today to get it changed and at first the lady said that it will be $15 to change it but after I told her that I have an order and that my EX has harassed me in the past, there was no charge.

Returning Michael via Atlanta Aiport yesterday turned out O.K., but not without the drama...every airline had delays thanks to the weather, not just his flight.

I took SS with me and it takes us about 2 1/2 hours to drive to get there. Then we were two hours early for his flight because I didn't want to take a chance with security and stuff -- and I had to check him in personally as he is still an unaccompanied minor. Well, everything went totally smooth and then we got told "the flight is delayed by 1 1/2 hours for departure." I thought -- well, no REAL big deal -- let's find a phone to let Michael's Dad know.

Didn't see one right away in the main area, so we went through security (in about 10 minutes) and headed out to the International Terminal (just for fun! to find a 747, which we didn't). There I did find a pay phone and I called using the 1-888 number I set up. The phone was busy at Dad's house. This was about 4 pm, so Dad actually shouldn't have been home yet, but whatever.

So I went to Plan B -- dialed his parents house using *67 and the system said I couldn't "DIAL" this way. Hmmm, so I just dialed straight through and got their voice mail. I left a detailed message as to what was going on "We were at the airport, Michael was checked in, only his flight was delayed until 7:11 pm". (BTW -- I know it's not Dad's Parent's RESPONSIBILITY to pass on a message, but they live right next door and I've done this in the past when on my first try, I didn't get a hold of Dad.)

Since I didn't talk to a warm body in Plan B, I turned to Plan C and called Dad's cell phone and left the same message. His phone was turned off so it went straight to his voice mail. Dad's cell phone is really a work cell phone -- and back when we were married, Dad paid for the basic plan and some minutes and his employer paid for roaming and stuff.....So I really don't know if it's a personal phone or a work phone -- but voice mail makes it sound like a work phone. He has given me the number in the past to use for emergencies -- and I considered letting him know that the flight was delayed not an EMERGENCY (no life or limb on the line), but a courtesy to Dad.

Then we went and ate....and searched for a stupid 747 which we didn't find. NOT ONE gate had a 747..!!! And I wanted to show SS a "double decker" or "two story plane." Anyways,

After we ate, I went back to the pay phone and tried the 1-888 number -- the line was busy.

Then my MD called my cell from home and said "Michael's Dad just called and he wants me to call him."

She said that Dad knew the flight was delayed and wanted to talk to me.

Then, Michael pulled out his calling card that they sent with him so I tried using that. It had a whopping 26 minutes on it -- and the pay phone took 14 because I was calling from a payphone. I thought Oh well...and the phone was busy.

30 seconds later -- my cell rings...It's his Dad. And I'm thinking, do I pick it up or not. So I did.

Dad said "I got your cell phone number off my Caller ID. I need to know what's going on with Michael, is he checked in? Is he getting on the flight? because I understand it's delayed."

I told him that "Yep, I tried to call you but your phone at home was busy, so I left a messages in two places for you. It's delayed until 7:11, he's checked in and he'll be on it."

He said "You didn't leave a message."

I said "Yes I did, I called your parents house as a back up plan AND I left a detailed message on your cell phone."

He said "Well, do you know if it's gonna depart on time now? and why it was delayed?"

I said "I don't know if it's gonna depart on time because that's about 2 hours from now and a lot can happen, geez."

Then he said "Look I didn't call to argue with you....

And I said "Fine, goodbye." And hung up on him.

Well, that's pretty close to how the conversation went....

I'm thinking -- why don't you call the airline yourself to see what's going on? Or why don't you go on-line to see for yourself what's going on? HE always picks a fight with me -- and then blames ME for it.

Well, in those two hours, Michael's flight was CANCELLED. Everyone was automatically re-booked for their last flight of the day departing at 1 am, arriving at 3 am....

But I noticed that the flight BEFORE Michael's flight was also delayed and that he could maybe get on that one instead....and rebooked him for the 8 pm departure.

So I was back to needing to call Dad....and called the house which was busy. Called his cell phone and left a detailed message -- to include the fact that Michael was NOT on the really late flight as the airline rebooked him.

Then I called DH on his cell and home -- and left messages asking DH to keep trying Dad until we got a warm body on the other end. DH actually got a hold of fake-wife a bit later....

I kept thinking -- why am I putting myself through this. Dad is such a jerk towards me. I could have said NOTHING and he would have been sitting in the Pittsburgh Airport with his other (younger) son out in the gate area for the same 6 hours I roamed the Atlanta airport. And fake-wife would have been sitting back in the main terminal for the same 6 hours by herself. See once you get a gate pass to pick up an unaccompanied minor, I'm not sure they'll give you another one if you come back (probably so) -- but nope, I decided to take the high road to let Dad know about the delays. And I saved him flippin' parking fees that he's been so bitter about in the past!!!


For "entertainment" at the airport, I think we had a good time. In Concourse E all the international flight depart there, so I would ask "Where's London? Where's Frankfurt? Munich, Geneva, Rome?" and stuff -- to work on World Geography. "Where's Brussells?" Michael said "In Bursell Spouts!" Then believe it or not, we rode the underground train round and round in circles....like 10 times. From a distance they saw the parking garadge and how the tracks change where the trains go. THEN they noticed "Hooter's Airlines and wanted to go see "Hooter's Girls" (boys age 11)....so I said "Fine -- read the maps and follow the signs." (Thinking LEARN how to do this boys!)....and they did. But no Hooters counter -- that's all operated by Delta.

So their next challenge became to find our way back to Michael's gate -- and they did that just fine... Both really gained a lot of confidence finding their way around one of (if not) the busiest airport in the country.

After Michael departed, it became SS's job to find our way back to the car....total learning experience for him. We talked about the fact that after they turn 12, they don't have to be considered unaccompanied minors (needing a babysitter), and what might change after that (like the fact that we might not be allowed to meet them at the gate, and that they have to come out to baggage claim)....so it was a positive side to this weather delay situation.

But Michael is back for now....and I got get him again in just a few short weeks for the rest of his summer here!



 

My son flew down Monday and said "Mom, why did you book me to go back before I even came down?"  I said "No I didn't!"

Well, this time it's dingbat me -- and yes I did.  I booked his return ticket with the airline for the WRONG Sunday!

So I called AirTran -- explained what I had done THINKING I had lost the value in the ticket -- because of course, my son was a "no show."

But nope, Customer Service changed the ticket to the right Sunday keeping the same flights with NO FEE for the change.

Way to go Air Tran!!!

Yep, MD got engaged last night at dinner and she was sooooo excited....

We have 3 girls one year apart from each other who have all had steady boyfriends from about the same time...

OSD got married in July and had our first grandchild in January.

OD got married just this month.

And now MSD got engaged....I know she's been "bugging" him and he's been WANTING to make it official, but with the hoopla surrounding the other two sisters, he kept putting it off.

Then on Tuesday, he called DAD and asked if they could do lunch on Thursday. DAD said fine. (And I wish you could hear this father talk for those two days out of ear shot of MSD of course....Wore an Auburn shirt KNOWING her boyfriend is an Alabama fan (two rivals!)....wore his police officer's badge and gun -- we're talking a Dad who was really hamming it up to be the "Big Bad Future Father-In-Law -- are you sure you want to ask me?")

We kept it a secret Thursday evening -- easy because she was at work and then at college and then we were in bed (on purpose!) On friday she left early for work....so that helped.

She called sooooo happppyyy....and woke me up last night to show me the ring....it's beautiful.

Wedding date? Hopefully, she will stick to after college graduation which is at least 2 years down the road....and by then he should be finished or close to finishing too.

One more girl to go and since she's only 16 -- SHE CAN WAIT!
I know whom she has her sights set on and I pray that her heart isn't broken down the road.....time will tell.

Then the two boys waaaaay after that.

And I quote from e-bay....

"This note is for all my customers who have been faithful buyers and many friends of children's book. (And "no, Iris,  this does not include you! I will deal with you separately.")
As of March 2, 2004 I will be taking a well needed "vacation" from EBay.
How long? I'm not sure just yet.  Besides "Spring Cleaning" being upon us, there are a few "personal issues" that need taken care of.

My current auctions listed will end on March 2, 2004. I will not be listing any more auction for at least the month of March. During this time, I will also be unavailable to answer e-mail.

Thanks for your understanding, and I trust that you will keep me in your bookmarks, your prayers and continue to watch for my listing to return.

Carole aka hom3skulmom"

Doesn't even spell her own screen name right from e-bay....

Ah, the saga continues....didn't you KNOW that I've been watching you on e-bay since you opened up your name now for years?  Suppose not.  Watched you buy all kinds of stuff and did I ONCE spoil your surprise to the kids?  Nope....for THEIR sake.

Got it all printed off and on file -- and it's all unreported income to the IRS.  Why?

Because the website business is registered in my EX's name and you have said on your about me page in the past that your business is a joint venture by EX and yourself....yet NONE of the income (or expenses) have been listed on his tax return to the IRS?  Hmmm...wonder what they would say?  Understand that I haven't place a phone call yet nor sent them proof of what I know.

And you want to threaten me?  Yep, didn't take you long either after court did it....I didn't even get past you and you had to have your say.  This isn't about YOU Carole....I am Michael's mother and Mike is Michael's father.  You have to make room for me -- you have no choice in the matter and THREATS won't scare me away from my son.

Now I have proof that you are threatening me from a distance.....ding bat you (again).

Shall I share the rest of what's been going on with these folks?



Don't get me started....

Geez, I would have liked to discuss a subject with you off the boards, via PM messages, but nope, you haven't replied at all and I've left two messages (posts) to give you the clue you have a PM to begin with.

What's up?

Now, you can forget what I wanted to discuss and it would have been a friendly discussion.

I don't like the way you argue with everyone on the boards and won't take it to PMs or off the boards.

I believe that a while ago, you were warned by Admin not to continue your  behavior.

Can you give us a JAVA update?

who could explain the function of a "Journal" in the process?

Did she come?  How'd it go?

Kudos to.....JetBlue and Southwest Airlines

Most U.S. airlines quietly changed the rules for children flying without guardians.  Nowadays, a child usually has to be 15 to fly alone without notifying the airline (the cutoff was 12 in the past), and children ages 5-14 must pay an extra $40 to $90 each way (formerly $30 and up).  Southwest and JetBlue – which maintain security precautions and assist young passengers as other airlines do – are the exceptions, letting kids 5 years and older fly solo at no additional cost.



:-)

So, just when I thought I knew the rules....and my kids are getting old enough or close to old enough.....the goal post moved.

And to think -- my "future son in law" will be making his first flight tomorrow (with my two daughters) at the age of 20 with a connection and his nerves are absolutely shot already cause he's sicker than a dog this week.....  I'm glad that NONE of our 6 kids from our blended families are like that.  Thankfully he has two seasoned fliers to go with him.

I wish I could see the look on his face when they show him a 747 tomorrow....he thought the planes at our rinky dink airport were "big" and then I took him to B'ham where they were a bit bigger.  Wait 'till he goes to the gate in Atlanta....whew!

I just returned from a short vacation and have to share my latest court experience regarding my time with my son and my request (Motion to Show Cause) for make-up time where I asked the judge to allow me to make up 3 weekends (one per month) missed.

I got mixed results.

I am allowed one weekend per month in addition to everything else if I give my EX 2 weeks notice.

For July and August, I was denied make-up time.  Why?  Well, according to the judge and my EX, I never ASKED for a weekend in July or August.

Back in April, I received a letter from my EX saying that my son had "plans" over several weekends listed out all the way to October.  I answered his letter stating that he had created a problem for the months of June, July and August because he didn't leave a free weekend every month AND 6 weeks.  I suggested an alternative solution of taking mid-week days instead of a weekend.

He responded and said something like "Maybe you didn't understand me, I suggested you work around those weekends or consider the consequences your son might feel."  (Like miss a sport because MOM wants the weekend with him...)

I again sent another letter outling a solution -- EX refused.  By then it was too late to fix July and August.

Judge decided that I never ASKED for a weekend, so a weekend in July and August was never denied.  No make-up time will be given.  

Lesson:  I will tell the EX which weekend I want -- and no longer make the effort to "work with him" because it went to the point where I lost time with our son.  

Yes, I am disappointed in the judge's decision and I think the judge  knows that.  But I will respect his decision and won't make that mistake again.

October was the third month that I asked for make-up time and this I was given.  The weekend that I asked for started on Oct 31st and the EX denied because Sat and Sun were in November.  Fortunately, the court has defined that a weekend starts on Friday and that the entire weekend doesn't have to fall within the month.  Many of you here told me that too -- and I thank you.  I get to decide WHEN this weekend will be made up before the end of June.  No problem.

More to tell....but I read others who have visitation problems too.  Like "I cry in the dark" and turning her kids over 5 hours early when the EX didn't agree to make up time ahead of time or sign a paper -- my experience is that a judge will not give her that make-up time.  Period.

Funny how I don't have this problem at all as a CP to my daughters -- as a matter of fact, they just returned from a 10-day trip to see their dad when it was only supposed to be 7.  And then there's the trip out again for a weekend in February that's not even on the books....

how's it going?

at another site, it was said that KY Law still recognizes the Tender Years Doctrine.

can anyone verify???

Yep, lazy me doesn't wanna go surf for that state's statutes.