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mistoffolees

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RE: Focus
« Reply #40 on: Apr 18, 2007, 06:41:50 PM »
>>
>>>
>>>Okay, here is my true life example:
>>>
>>>My parents divorced when I was 14.  My father is an abusive
>>>alcoholic who rarely paid his child support.  He always
>>>worked.  And all he was ordered to pay was $300 a month for
>>>FIVE children.  This was back before the time that child
>>>support was garnished or enforcement was even taken
>>seriously.
>>> I was poor.  I only had one pair of pants that I had to
>>keep
>>>mending to wear.  I was too embarassed to get the free
>lunch
>>>at school, so I went without.  And, yes, my mom did work.
>>But
>>>she met my dad when she was 18 and still in high school.
>He
>>>encouraged her to drop out of school (btw, he is 20 years
>>>older than her).  This way, she would be completely
>>dependent
>>>on him.
>>>
>>>Do you really think I would have cared if my father's
>>picture
>>>was on a pizza box if it meant that he would pay his child
>>>support?  
>>>
>>>I was more embarassed by his not paying his child support.
>
>>>
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>>Did they know where your father was? If so, why would they
>>need to put his picture on a pizza box. As you've stated,
>they
>>didn't enforce child support rigorously back then.
>>
>>The answer is to enforce child support - not to create
>silly,
>>abusive programs.
>>
>>So far, you haven't given one argument to refute the
>arguments
>>given above:
>>1. There is too much room for discretion by CSE - including
>>wrongfully labelling people deadbeats (a couple of examples
>>have been provided).
>>2. It won't collect any money - it's a publicity gimmick to
>>make it look like they're doing something.
>>3. If they have the money for this program, it would better
>be
>>spent on enforcement and collection.
>>4. People have a right to defend themselves. If they don't
>>know where the 'deadbeat' is, that person can't defend
>>himself. If they do know where he is, then they should go
>>after him with legal means.
>>5. There's a great deal of potential for harming the kid -
>>many kids do care about their parents and WOULD be hurt to
>see
>>their father labeled a deadbeat. Furthermore, what if the
>>father has died and appears on the pizza box? That would be
>>immensely harmful.
>>
>>Basically, your sob story makes good press, but doesn't
>>address any of the real issues.
>
>One of the issues that was raised against this program was
>that it would stiSLURPize the children.  

Nice strawman argument. No one ever claimed it would stiSLURPize ALL children. Do you think it's OK to stiSLURPize some children just because there are others who don't care?

>
>I do believe that I have proven that it won't stiSLURPize all
>children, as was claimed.

No one claimed that.

>
>My father was around, he just didn't pay his child support.
>This was before automatic wage garnishment and before they had
>any laws like they have now.

So you're basing your argument for pizza box pictures on the basis of a situation which no longer exisits.

>
>I like the pizza box idea for the simple reason that it may
>actually help a child.  

You STILL haven't answered the question. HOW Is it going to help?

If you really want to find someone you can find them without putting their picture on pizza boxes.

>
>I am sorry that you have such a problem with the government
>trying to find parents who aren't paying their child support.
>But it needs to be done.  

It's obvious that you've lost the argument by the fact that you keep making things up and pretending someone said them. I've argued strongly that the government SHOULD aggressively pursue people who don't pay their support. And they should try to find them. I just don't believe that pizza boxes is the way to go - for all the reasons I've given --- NONE of which you've responded to.


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RE: Focus
« Reply #41 on: Apr 19, 2007, 04:18:40 AM »
"I am sorry that you have such a problem with the government trying to find parents who aren't paying their child support. But it needs to be done."

Then let the Gov't do their job and not rely upon local pizzerias to do it for them.

mistoffolees

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RE: Focus
« Reply #42 on: Apr 19, 2007, 05:02:52 AM »
>"I am sorry that you have such a problem with the government
>trying to find parents who aren't paying their child support.
>But it needs to be done."
>
>Then let the Gov't do their job and not rely upon local
>pizzerias to do it for them.


Good comment.

 

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