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My daughter rejects me openly. I'm hacked.
« on: Jun 06, 2009, 11:03:12 AM »
    This has been an on going problem for years. My daughter is 8yrs old. I have been divorced for 5. The usual bitter long drawn out divorce, in fact we are in court every year.  When she is with me she loves me but for some reason clings to my wife more than me.  If there should be any alienation issues I would think the X would focus this endeavor twds my wife, the woman I had the affair with. Not condoning this but it's the past. The x has been remarried for about 4yrs. The fellow treats my child nice, and I feel my daughter loves him. I'll never have respect for the worm as he tried to adopt my child. Not a rat's chance in a blender.

    All her little activites such as, cheerleading, B-Ball, Soccer, I attend. When I show up she won't look at me. When I approach her she just ignores me, won't say two words to me.  This makes me so upset I want to pull my hair out. I'm no psyche proffessor so I don't know how to handle this, discipline her scold her, ignore it. Can someone help?

    Her affection twds her mother and her mother's affection to my daughter is hmm... too affectionate?? I mean she worships the ground she walks on.  It's just not natural or mentally healthy, can't be.  I mean the child still can't be away from her mother more than three days without going into hysteria.  At all these events my child has eyes totally fixated on her mother nearly the entire time where she can't even focus on what she's doing. I observe all the other children and they are focused on the event not the parent.  Is this healthy? This has to be some sort of pyschosis on both sides to some degree. 


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Re: My daughter rejects me openly. I'm hacked.
« Reply #1 on: Jun 06, 2009, 12:27:57 PM »
 
How is she when she is with you without her mother around?
Your post doesn't say what your status is regarding custody or visitation, they might factor into the equation, hard to tell with the information at hand.
 
It does stink when you feel rejected by you child.
 
I know my husband wasn't big on seeing a therapist regarding his children's reactions and attitudes with him after he and I married, however, I think that it did help him understand both his feelings and his kids.  That might work for you too....
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« Reply #2 on: Jun 06, 2009, 01:35:06 PM »
KSmarks, thanks for your reply. I have the standard part time visitation, every other weekend agenda that this pitiful Matriarchal Domestic Court System (no offense intended) has handed down.
 
She acts ok when away from the mother twds me. Holds my hand and stuff. However, she definately is much more affectionate with my wife for some reason, maybe its a girl thing? Or maybe she thinks i dont want nothing to do with her? I wish i knew.
 
Im going to have a family meeting tonite and i just dont know what to tell her. For right now Im just going to tell her that her actions twds me are wrong and she needs to not be afraid of what her mother thinks of her for showing me open affection.
 
 

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« Reply #3 on: Jun 06, 2009, 01:54:24 PM »
I agree..........we kind of went through the same thing when SS was little.  If we were at an event that BM and SF were at, SS would completely ignore us.  It wouldn't be until DH literally went directly to him that SS would even look at him or respond, and even then he seemed to be constantly watching BM's reaction.

One time I was riding my bike (small town of less that 2500) and passed SS and SF on their bikes, so I said hi to SS...he acted like I didn't even exist!  Then not long after that, I was washing the ambulance (I'm a vol. EMT) when SS and SF showed up at the public storage next door.  I didn't want to seem rude and went over to just say hi to SS and tell him we were looking forward to seeing him the next weekend.  He seemed hesitant to acknowledge me, but he did.  Then after DH picked him up that next weekend, SS told DH he got in trouble and was 'punished' for talking to me.  Apparently this had been going on for quite some time and certainly explained SS's behavior when we'd see him, but he wasn't 'officially' with us.  BM was adamant that SS have absolutely NOTHING to do with either of us if it wasn't our court-ordered time to have him.

Sounds like some variation of this might be going on with your daughter.  She's so hyper-focused on BM so she can't see you....for fear of acknowledging you and getting punished for it.  I agree with ksmarks, in that if you have an opportunity to go to a counselor or therapist with your daughter, you should take it.  If nothing else, it might give you a better understanding of what's going on.
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« Reply #4 on: Jun 06, 2009, 08:32:52 PM »
Thanks for the reply. I had a talk with her tonite, the wife and I.  As i knew she would, she denied it all. All I could tell her is that it's wrong for her to treat me and my wife the way she does. I just dont know if i should even go to her events any longer at least until she is older and can think for herself. But i know i will show up because at least i can see her having fun.
Therapy is something i will consider but i will have to research it with my lawyer, my x will definately have me in court over it if she can, no matter if i'm right in doing so.  We stay in court.
She is so bitter and hateful even after 5yrs. My child thinks I abandoned her, she told me this tonite. Not true. I asked her to make judgements on what she sees now not at what her mother tells her.
She calls her step dad, daddy and at first started calling me by my first name, the latter i quickly instructed her on.  Not a big deal but i will not allow my child to call my wife mommy. I just dont think it's right.


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« Reply #5 on: Jun 07, 2009, 09:09:34 AM »
It sounds to me like a couple of things are going on - the first being some alienation on the part of your ex and her new husband, the second that your daughter is very insecure about her relationship with her mom and how her mom is going to handle things.

In regards to the alienation, there are some great books out there that talk about ways that you can handle what's going on to minimize the damage to your relationship with your daughter.  Divorce Poison and Divorce Casualties are the ones that I would recommend.   

In regards to her relationship with her mom.  I am thinking that your daughter was a first-hand witness to how emotionally devastated your wife was after the affair.  It sounds like she didn't shelter your daughter from this, or from how upsetting it is for her to see you (and/or see you with your new wife).  Therefore, she is probably hyper-sensitive to this issue and worries about her mom getting upset when you show up to her events.  She is either trying to show her mom loyalty, or she's trying to minimize how upset her mom is going to get.  It's a sad place for any child to have to be in.

The fact that she says you abandoned them tells me that she has knowledge of the affair and why you divorced.  That is a very grown up accusation for an eight year old, so my guess is that she heard it from her mom.  She probably harbors anger towards you for causing a divorce, and she may fear that you will abandon her too.  She may also feel that both you and her mom have new partners, and she is the odd person out.  She might be testing you to see whether or not you will abandon her before she feels like she can trust you - especially with what her mom is telling her.  Make sure she knows how much you love her and that no matter what happens you will always be there for her.  I would try and get some counseling for your daughter.  If not, try seeing a counselor on your own to get help navigating the situation and how to best handle things with your daughter.   

I would not withdraw your participation in her events.  Whether or not she can articulate it now, it is important to her for you to be there.  She is very young right now, but soon she will have a more mature understanding of relationships, and she will be able to make her own decisions about what she thinks is true.  But at her age she is not yet able to do that.  Give her time, I think she'll come around.

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« Reply #6 on: Jun 07, 2009, 02:15:12 PM »
I agree wholeheartedly with Gemini, but would add one more thing.  I would NOT talk to her about these things again.  That's putting adult responsibilities on a child.  She doesn't have the capability yet to understand what is going on and why.  It's bad enough that BM has put her in a position of feeling responsible for her mother's feelings.  And all the more reason why counseling would be a good idea....regardless of what BM thinks about it.  So what if BM takes you to court over it.........if you know it's the right thing to do and it's beneficial for your daughter, that's all that counts. 
 
All your focus should be on is your daughter's well being.  Keep going to her events........after what she's already told you, she NEEDS you to be there, even if she can't really tell you that.  See, that is what the BM is counting on....that by constantly reinforcing to DD that you abandoned them, she will jump on every opportunity to verify that to her.  Show up and keep being there, no matter how uncomfortable anyone makes it for you.  Your presence will eventually tell your DD that you did NOT abandon her, regardless of what BM tells her.
 
But once you do get to court, make sure you include that DD canNOT call anyone else Mom or Dad except bio-parents.  We had that happen too, in a way.  We got married when SS was barely 4 y.o. and BM married exactly 2 weeks later.  SS always came to up on DH's weekends with 2 bags, one with clothes and one with toys.  A few months after BM got married, I happened to notice SS's toy bag had his first name and SF's last name on it.  I showed it to DH and while DH took SS back, he asked SS what his name was.  SS gave his first name, but SF's last name.  Apparently after BM got married, SS either realized that her last name changed and assumed his did too (and BM refused to correct him), or she told him that it had.  EIther way, it was wrong.  DH told SS that his last name was still DH's and SS started to cry.  So DH straightened it out with BM immediately and threatened her with legal action if she didn't cease and desist.  We never had the problem again.  And when all this came out, it appeared that BM and SF were also prompting SS to call SF dad, too.
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« Reply #7 on: Jun 07, 2009, 08:48:05 PM »
I was a child of divorced parents. My mother was the queen of hositle agressive parenting and alienation. I was 16 when they separated and not yet 18 when the divorce was finailzed. My mother used to beat my younger sister for asking when we were going to see Daddy again, and she would make me and my brothers watch.

I grew up thinking my father KNEW what torment my mother put me and my siblings through AND that he either wouldn't or couldn't rescue me. It made me angry that he "escaped" and he left me behind. (I didn't find out until I was 40 that he never knew.)

I learned how to survive in my mother's home. It meant that I did whatever it took .. lying, pretending, joining my mother in treating my father badly. Through it all, my Dad drew a line in the sand and refused to step back, no matter how hard I pushed him away. He also never stepped closer than I let him at any one time. It took him years to break through but he did.
You daughter is showing classic signs of a young child who is using a child's logic to deal with abandonment issues, alienating behaviors from one parent toward the other and all who are disloyal. She is likely subject to loyalty tests weekly, if not daily or hourly. When you have to prove over and over again to the one person you HAVE to trust, that you can be trusted, you develop an unhealthy attachment. It is not unlike Stockholm syndrome where a hostage starts to identify with their captors.

There is hope, but you need to understand you are dealing with a fragile mind right now. Telling her she is WRONG is just going to hurt her self esteem more. Tell her she is behaving badly... make it about her actions, not about her person. Demand she treat you and her step mother at least as well as she would treat a stranger. Make it clear that at your house she is free to love anybody she wants, but she is not free to hate. Make your home a safe haven. Make your opposition to her behavior a matter of how it is effecting HER, not you. Its not about guilt, but guiding her into being the kind of woman she can be proud to be when she is grown...one with no regrets.
A true soldier fights, not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves whats behind him...dear parents, please remember not to continue to fight because you hate your ex, but because you love your children.

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« Reply #8 on: Jun 18, 2009, 12:39:20 PM »
I don't know if someone else said this or not...
 
Kids of divorce can have divided loyalties.  And similar to what 4honor mentioned, they do what they need to do in order to survive.
 
My SS was a classic case of two seperate worlds.  When X would talk with him when his mom was around (which was mostly always) then the conversation was short and mostly yes or no answers or "I don't know."  But the few times when they would speak and she was out (grandpa was babysitting) SS's end of  the conversation was quite animated.
 
SS always had a great time with X put his mom did a good job with PAS.  She never denied any visitation because that would have landed her in court, but she and her mom did a great job of poisoning SS so that SS believed everything that was said.
 
So SS's two worlds were very seperate so that he could survive and X understood that.  And although X was hurt, he knew that SS understood that he loved him.  It was safer for SS to reject his dad because he knew there wouldn't be any real repercussions, but standing up to his mom when he was 14 or 15 was not a possibility. 
 
She's only 8 and she just needs to know that you love her no matter what.
 
Good luck

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Re: My daughter rejects me openly. I'm hacked.
« Reply #9 on: Jun 18, 2009, 02:32:11 PM »
Wanna re-emphasize the benefits of getting a copy of Divorce Poison.
 
AWESOME book that explains what's going on right now and how you can turn it around.

 

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