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#1
Child Support System
Declared Unconstitutional
Minnesota Supreme Court upholds ruling

 
In 1975, Congress passed a law which included a last minute amendment to create the Office of Child Support Enforcement (OCSE). When signing the bill, then President Ford commented that it took the federal government too far into domestic relations and promised to propose legislation to correct the problem. Over the decade that followed, it became clear that OCSE intended to grow in size and power to control all aspects of child support law, seizing that power from the state courts.
The size of the OCSE grew, this decade acquiring a staff in excess of 50,000 and costing taxpayers some $3 billion annually. Child support laws were modified, so that simple mathematical formulae are used to make award decisions. This new simplicity is required due to the low level of education of workers who are assigned as "judges" in child support cases. Extreme consequences defined by new federal laws, often carried out automatically and without trial, give the child support enforcement agency power over tens of millions of individuals that surpasses anything previously seen in the United States.
After almost 25 years since its start, judges in Minnesota finally felt that they had seen enough. In June of last year, the Court of Appeals decided that the administrative branch of government had exceeded its constitutional powers.

"The administrative child support process governed by Minn. Stat. 518.5511 (1996) is unconstitutional because it violates the separation of powers required by Minn. Const. art. III, 1." (STATE OF MINNESOTA IN COURT OF APPEALS C7-97-926 C8-97-1132 C7-97-1512 C8-98-33, Filed June 12, 1998; http://www.courts.state.mn.us/library/archive/ctappub/9806/c797926.htm)
The Minnesota Supreme Court upheld the decision in January of this year.
"The administrative child support process created by Minn. Stat. 518.5511 (1996) violates the separation of powers doctrine by infringing on the district court's original jurisdiction, by creating a tribunal which is not inferior to the district court, and by permitting child support officers to practice law. Therefore, the statute is unconstitutional." (STATE OF MINNESOTA IN SUPREME COURT C7-97-926 C8-97-1132 C9-98-33 C7-97-1512, Filed: January 28, 1999, Office of Appellate Courts; http://www.courts.state.mn.us/library/archive/supct/9901/c797926.htm)
 
--Reported by Roger F. Gay


#2
I disagree with your statement about not loosing the driver's license for falling behind because it did happen to me. The price to travel to a foreign country is a small price to pay to obtain a valid driver's license that can't be suspended for falling behind. Also going somewhere beautiful and warm is always a pleasure. I would gladly support my daughter finacially if her mother would allow me to do it directly (ie. without handing it to her for dispusment as she sees fit). Shared custody would be the obvious answer in my situation but as long as the ex refuses to share custody with me I am forced to find alternative solutions. My daughter loves me very much and I am sure that as long as her needs are being met she could really care less which one of her parents is footing the bill. Also I don't think any responsible parent would be informing a minor child of who was and wasn't paying money to provide for their needs. That would be very inappropriate behavior and supports my efforts in sharing custody or being awarded full custody. And yes you are correct about the contempt issue but I am in sales and I am not a very good sales person so I make very little money at it. So I am not in contempt for not paying but the state still susupends for being behind and this is simply a remedy to that minor little problem. Thank you for your input.
#3
The advise you are giving people about this being illegal is totally wrong. Yes it is true that to use this license you need to put your car into a trusted friend or relatives name for insurance reasons but that is not illegal. The United States has a signed agreement with the United Nations to allow drivers licenses from foreign countries to be used here and vise versa. I don't appreciate being accused of illegal activities and you need to do more homework on this subject before making accusations like that. I researched this carefully before doing it myself. You have to relinquish whatever state license you have to make this work because the state can't suspend what you don't have. I got pulled over with mine already and the only thing the officer wanted to know was if I lived in the country that my new license is from and of course I said yes I am here visiting the person who's name this car is registered to. That's it he handed it back to me and I was on my way. No laws were broken and I was treated with respect. So don't tell me it won't work or that its illegal because I know its not and you are simply ignorant about this issue.

#4
Hello Fathers,
I am writing this to inform all fathers who have fallen behind on child support and have had your driving priviledges suspended that I have found the remedy. Under the United Nations agreement with the US and a number of other countries, driver's licenses issued in foreign countries must be honored here in the states. I have found the cheapest and most efficient way to obtain a foreign driver's license that is valid here in the states and it can't be taken away for falling behind on child support payments. Please contact me if you are interested in obtaining a driver's license that can't be used as a tool by child support collection agencies to punish you for falling behind as we all do on occasion. This is totally legal and within your rights. All that is required is money for travel expenses and a passport. Please contact me only if you are serious and in need of this service. My email address is:
[email protected]

I live in Minnesota and that is why I posted in here but this will work anywhere.
#5
Minnesota State Forum / RE: Are you kidding...
Oct 04, 2005, 03:40:05 AM
well I can see there is more to your case than originally meets the eye. Still I stand firm on the idea of not getting revenge. To many people use the courts system to inflict painful revenge. All I say to that is people who do that need to grow up. My ex uses the system to persecute me and inadvertantly my daughter by her constant litigation. She is greedy and cruel and heartless. The upside is that she will rot in hell for eternity so I don't need to get even with her, she will get what she has coming. Anyway sorry if you felt that I went to far in what I said I only saw the part about you having custody and wanting more.
#6
What's wrong with you anyway? You have custody and you still want to whine and cry about the little stuff. I am not sticking up for your ex but you must have no idea how lucky you are to have custody. I would pay child support to my ex even if I had my daughter full time (or anytime). My ex keeps my daughter from me as much as she can (a lot) so count yourself lucky and dry up those crocidile tears.
#7
http://www.adask.net/PDF/83pdf/83web4.pdf

Click on this link or paste it into your navigation bar to see where in 1998 the State Of Minnesota In Court Of Appeals ruled Administrative Child Support Process Unconstitutional.

Page38  Administrative Child Support Process Unconstitutional  
A Minnesota Court of Appeals ruled that part of the administrative child support process violates the "separation of powers doctrine" and is thus unconstitutional.  Although the ruling focused on child support, a similar strategy might be used to challenge other state or federal administrative agencies.

#8
>Well in my opinion if you got the means to visit other
>countries then you should have the means to support your
>child. If you have this kinda attitude in the courtroom no
>wonder the judge don't like you. Hopefully a good attorney
>could get this matter straightened out for you. How are you
>benefitibg your child if your not even in the country?
>
>I don't think any father here has an issue with paying
>childsupport. I think the real issue is being denied time with
>your child to justify the need for excessive childsupport.
As usual you have your opinion based on not knowing anything about my situation. I don't have money to "visit" other countries I only had enough to leave. Here my parents help me with my living expenses.
#9
>Well, actually civil contempt IS a a crime and you most
>certainly can go to jail. You can even ask for a jury trial -
>at least this is the way my attorney explained it to me.
>Also, you were given a 90 day sentence for contempt and left
>the country?
>
>I think you're in for a world of hurt.  You need to straighten
>this out at soon as possible.
>
>
why am I in for a world of hurt? Does someone in the US own me? I can travel to other countries freely the last time I checked. If it was illegal I think I wouldn't have a passport. Anyway thanks
#10
Child Support Issues / RE: stay out of jail
Mar 29, 2008, 10:26:16 AM
I knew that willfulness entered into the equation but in my case the court determined that I could pay way more than I can. I haven't worked in over 5 years do to health issues but they don't want to hear about that. Anyway what they want me to pay and what I can pay are worlds apart. They want me to pay 1500 per month and I can only afford 300 per month. Will the 300 keep me out of jail?