Children Moving Trouble with Overnights

[Vega]

Really in a pickle.  Divorced 3 years ago.  Moved back in together shortly after.  Didn't work out but, my ex and the children have been living in an apartment down the street for the last 2 years.  They are doing really well in school and settled into their sports and activities.  My ex's mother is the co-signer for the apartment.  She is refusing to sign the lease again in order to force my ex and the children to move in with them.  That means they would have have to be taken out of their current school and move about 30-40 minutes away.

I currently have 1 overnight during the school year and two during the summer per the order.  However, their mother and I have been in a relationship and I have had complete access to the children and we haven't been following the order.  I have been picking them up from school and very involved in their lives.  I rent a one bedroom down the street from them and have not exercised my overnights because of this.  The cost of living is such that it's almost impossible for me to rent a place that I can have 3 children in (14, 10 and 7).  So as you see things have been working well.

Though their mother and I have been in a relationship I acknowledge she isn't someone I could ever live with.  Been there done that.  I'm just concerned I will not be able to have my overnights after the move.  I wish there was something I could do to stop the move but I feel at a loss.  I can co sign the lease as I just got my credit score moving since the divorce.  Is my only option to let the move occur and settle for visitation?   

[MixedBag]

Who actually pays the rent where the mom and kids live?

How was that part working out?

I guess I'd like to know that before putting my 1/2 cent out there.

[Vega]

The mother pays the rent directly.  Her mother co-signed off the premise that she would eventually take over after her credit improved.  The children's mother does have a job with almost full time hours.  The rent is 1500 a month and I pay her 1600 a month child support (but help out much more).  My concern is (if approved) co-signing for her is probably an extremely risky financial move since our relationship is unstable. 

[ocean]

Few options:
1. Sign lease for a year only, re-commit each year. Can you sign lease WITH her , so her name is on it too?
2. File in court to stop move and ask for custody (kids stay in same schools) but then you would have to move to a bigger place (and if you had custody, child support would be adjusted). Kids are getting older, would they want to stay in their school and stay with you? You can first file for a restraining order not to move kids school and see what she does.
3. Let then move with mom but keep your address for school, they can stay in that school but would have to drive them back and forth.
4. You can do overnights as they just need their own bed. Get bunk beds and your bed in bedroom- kids can sleep in there on your nights, you sleep on couch. One of the kids can sleep in daybed/pull out couch in living room too.

Is mom on board with you signing lease and going against her mother? You could ask for the child support order to be changed as you will pay the lease and then $100 to her so you know the lease is being paid. If she leaves you will still have the money to pay off the rest of the year. Rather see her co-sign so you have legal rights to go after her for part if she left apartment. At the very least, write up whatever you decide, go to a bank or library and have you both notarize letter BUT this will not change any courts orders so be careful.

[Vega]

I have this strange feeling that the court wouldn't change custody based off this scenario and would probably let her move them due to financial hardship.  But, that's just been my biased experience with the system. 

I don't feel comfortable signing a lease because if she stops paying my credit will be ruined again.  I've spent 3 years since the bankruptcy rebuilding it.  I've not heard of the courts allowing child support to be paid as rent before.  I wouldn't have a problem doing that though if they would consider it.  If anything my son is going into high school and may want to stay with me if the courts would listen to him.  He's turning 15 in October.

[ocean]

Courts start listening to kids around 13 years old. Listen meaning taking into consideration their wants. Would he want to live with you and not with other siblings?
You can play hard ball a little and get the restraining order and see what she does.

We get the frustration with family court. If you both came to an agreement with child support then you go into family court with the agreement and see if judge would sign it. Can do it now before she moves so you can make a decision.
"Father requests child support to be changed to the following due to the mother not having good credit to sign for lease. Father agrees to sign lease for the children's housing for the next year. Father will pay xx directly to landlord and xx to mother for child support for one year. If both parents agree to continue this for following years, courts would request a notarized letter for the court folder each year after" (or something like that)?

[MixedBag]

also if the Mom has paid rent for a year on time, and her name was on the lease, I wonder if she really needs someone to co-sign for the next year?

[Vega]

also if the Mom has paid rent for a year on time, and her name was on the lease, I wonder if she really needs someone to co-sign for the next year?

She and I both filed ch7 together prior to the divorce.  She has lived there 2 years.  How could I find out for sure?  Do you think the leasing office is allowed to release that info?

[ocean]

Try to call them and explain situation and ask if she can do it herself or will they allow you BOTH to be on lease with your credit?
or ask to go with her to office to ask them questions as you may want to help have them stay there.

[MixedBag]

I agree with Ocean....mom might not want to move either....and if she's paid rent on time for two years, then the credit check might have a different meaning or measurement to the apartment complex now.  Particularly if MOM can show that she signed every check where rent was paid.  (and not Mom's Mom)