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better2morrow

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Father's threat
« on: Jun 01, 2008, 07:06:20 PM »
I booked my sons flight to come be with me for the summer. His father calls me and threatens that he refuse to board him on the plane unless I agree to pay my sons flight back for Father's Day weekend. Now, I have no problem with my son going back to his father for that weekend to celebrate with him, but asking me to pay is ridiculous. I pay nearly $700 a month to begin with, I pay for the majority of my sons expense, I even pay for all his flights coming in with no complains... never once asked for a single penny from his father. Now my son is scheduled to come this Wednesday, what can I do to make sure my son is boarded in the flight?

OH FYI, the money I give him for child support, yah it goes out to his new motorcycle, new car, and new wife.


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RE: Father's threat
« Reply #1 on: Jun 01, 2008, 08:39:30 PM »
There's no way you can guarantee that your's DS's dad will put him on the plane.  All you can do is file for contempt (and include the cost of the flight that you lost) if he doesn't.  I don't know whether it would be beneficial to tell him that, or if it would just make matters worse.  If there's nothing in your CO that allows for the Father's Day time and who pays for that transportation, then he can't hold that over your head.  But you can't do anything until 'after' the fact.

As for how he spends the CS, unless you have proof with receipts that the money is going directly to the motorcycle, car, and wife, you're just speculating. And from one who's been thru an acrmonious separation, holding on to that resentment will only hurt you in the end.  I'm sure that DH's ex thinks he should be spending a WHOLE lot more in CS, since we have a new truck (his work expense reimbursement makes the payments), new car, camper, and 2 snowmobiles.  But what she fails to realize is that I make almost as much as DH does, and I contribute almost as much to the household bills.  But my income cannot be considered in the determination of the CS he pays.
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RE: Father's threat
« Reply #2 on: Jun 02, 2008, 09:14:26 AM »
I'm looking at my Final Judgement where it notes the Parental Time Sharing Schedule. And it clearly states that I have my son 6pm on the last day of school, which is the 4th of June. How do I present this to my ex, stating that this is in writing from our agreement, and that he must abide by it, without causing another uproar? And what rights does he have demanding that I pay round trip tickets for his "Father's Day" weekend? And how can I make sure that if he does book it, it's not a one way ticket?

...and thank you for the time, in writing back to me, I just feel like I'm constantly being pushed up againts the wall with this guy, and it's my fault for letting him get to me. I want to be smart about this, and I want to know that I'm doing the right thing.

Thank you again.

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RE: Father's threat
« Reply #3 on: Jun 02, 2008, 10:52:22 AM »
How about wording it (without emotion)...

Dear Ex: After careful review of the final judgement document dated xx/xx/xxxx the shared parenting plan states is that Name of child is to spend time with name (Mother) from the last day of school at 6pm through ... xx/xx/xxxx at 12:00pm . This is the schedule set forth by the courts it is my (Mother's) obligation to follow what is documented as is.   Additionally, the final judgement does not make mention to "holidays" which would occur during this time. It is desired to communicate and work together to achieve what is in the best interest of our child. However, this would require to remain civil and discuss options without hostility or threats. It is not a desire to inappropriately utilize hostile measures or communication with regards to these situtions. Please be aware if this schedule is not maintained a case may be opened to ensure that the document is followed and to ensure our child is able to enjoy time with both parents as equally as possible.

I (Mother) would be happy to be accomodating and flexible with the schedule only if this is reciprocated thoughout the year and communication remains civil. If communication can not remain civil, please utilize a written form of communication and deliver via Fed-Ex or UPS. (Certified letters are not what they are chalked up to be- this can take months without resolution)

Good Luck!


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RE: Father's threat
« Reply #4 on: Jun 02, 2008, 11:51:39 AM »
Does your CO say anything about him having your son for Father's Day, regardless of who's custody he's in at the time?  If your CO states that your ex has every Father's Day, but doesn't define how transportation would be arranged specifically for that, then you're SOL.  Transportation would then have to be agreed upon by the both of you, unless you go back to court and have it ordered.  If your CO states that you pay for all transportation regardless, I think you're SOL on that one, too.  As for if he does book a flight, it would just be a matter of calling the airline to find out if there's a return flight, but I would do that BEFORE you put the child on a plane.

Is your order somewhat new, in that this is the first summer you are doing this?  From the sound of it, it sounds like there might be some 'holes' in your final judgement regarding transportation.  And it's possible that the only way to close those holes is to go back to court for clarification.  May be pricey, but you have to weigh that against how much you might end up spending on transportation completely and over the long haul.  If you do manage to agree on trans. for this summer, who's to say the same issue won't come up again next summer, or the next?

As far as talking to your ex about it, tell him that since it's ordered that you have this time, anything he does counter to that would be considered contempt.  And if that also means you will be out the cost of the ticket (which certainly is a lot of money), you would be forced to file contempt and asking for the cost of the ticket.  You might also tell him that, if the shoe was on the other foot, you would expect him to react the same way.

Good luck with this.  We did LD parenting for about 8 years...I know how difficult and expensive it can be.  But I also know that if you can't communicate and cooperate with the other parent, it almost makes it impossible
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RE: Father's threat
« Reply #5 on: Jun 02, 2008, 08:56:48 PM »
yes, it states that on Mother's Day/Fathers' Day, the parent for that holiday starts 8am on Sunday, and ends Monday 8am. As far as who's responsible for the transportation/money, that's not in writing. What's SOL? I don't even know where to begin, if I don't see my son. How do I hold him in contempt? You see my first attorney screwed me, I ended up representing myself at the end, so I'm sure there could've been more things that would have protected me and ensure my exposure and time with my son. So, honestly, I don't know where to even begin and how to go about it.

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Is his name Randy?
« Reply #6 on: Jun 03, 2008, 06:46:31 PM »
Cuz he sounds an awful lot like my ex.

Is it in the court agreement that you pay the trip back for FD weekend? If it isn't...not your worry.

You might want to spend the money to have the flight stuff addressed in the order. It would save trouble later.

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RE: Father's threat
« Reply #7 on: Jun 03, 2008, 06:47:52 PM »
LOL...she can vent here. We have all been through it.

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SOL.....
« Reply #8 on: Jun 03, 2008, 07:57:46 PM »
Sh*t out of luck.....  :-)

For contempt, you have to go back to court.  I don't know whether you can do that without an atty.  There may be others here who could walk you through the process, but a lot will depend on your jurisdiction and how they specifically handle these types of petitions.
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You have to take all the relevants parts of your decree (IMHO)
« Reply #9 on: Jun 04, 2008, 07:04:20 AM »
and put them together to come up with an answer.

1.  Were you always long distance?

2.  What did you do in past years?

3.  What does the decree say for paying for transportation?

4.  If dad gets Father's Day, did YOU get Mother's Day?  And why not?  If the answer is no.

5.  What does it say for summer?

6.  Was your plan/decree (by chance) written to be "close distance" and now one of you moved far away and you're really trying to interpret close distance verbage into a long distance plan?

IMHO -- from past experience -- I wouldn't file contempt on June 5th.

If dad doesn't put the your child(ren) on the plane, I would file a "Motion for Clarification" and get some of the above questions answered so that one part of the decree doesn't conflict with another part due to geography.

Then I would switch the ticket for Monday morning as early as possible after 8 am.....and see what the judge says.

I wouldn't file for contempt -- because dad isn't CLEARLY violating the order.  I believe there are some gray areas -- which is causing the two of you to fight.


 

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