okay I tried...

[nosonew]

some day...she will be requesting time from you... NOW THAT, is a Kodak moment... And of course, you will take the high road, and always, always, be the better person, doing what is best for your son...

[MYSONSDAD]

Hey, how did you know I always say that!



"Children learn what they live"

[nosonew]

Your responses sound like my husband...he always said that...and now as cp, he does as he said!  

[Kitty C.]

Think it would have any impact if you told her that she may never see her grandchildren if her son is refused visitation with his kids like she's refusing you?

Naw, probably not.  Psychos like her cannot see what they're doing as bad......

[mango]

Don't the police have to enforce the legal documents of the CO?

Can you start off the visit by bringing a police escort, to make sure you get your visit?

She is in the wrong. The CO order should guarntee your visit, right?

[MYSONSDAD]

NOPE, NOPE, NOPE.

It is a civil matter, that's the bottom line. It depends on the officer and what they are willing to do. If your visitation is refused, all you can hope for is an incident report. They can not force anyone to hand over the child.

Now, I have a question. Since this is a civil matter, what do you think might happen if I did not return my son? Is this not the same? Picking up child?

Anyone care to answer?

 

[MYSONSDAD]

WHEN I become CP, I will treat her as I would want to be treated. Work things out and communicate for his well being. Be responsive to his needs.

Two years of bullshit, but I will do what is best for our son. I want to get him thru this and have him grow up as a whole individual. No matter what I think of her and what she has done, she is still his mother and I know he loves her.
 
"Children learn what they live"

[mango]

I was just thinking the same thing. Tit for tat.

[nosonew]

If she has papers that say custodial...she wins, period.  Sorry.  Funny, I bet if that happened, it would no longer be civil...

[ready4change]

Just to add my two cents . . . . .

It would be fabulous if a law enforcement officer could step in and solve a chaotic situation that two adults have created for their child(ren) but agencies limit the amount of control that they give officers in these situations due to liablility.  For example, the court deems mom the parent who should have custody, dad shows up to pick jr. up, a dispute ensues, officer Bart forces mom to give up jr., something happens to jr, mom sues police dept.  I bet most officers get sick to their stomach seeing children in the middle of such tug-o-wars.

Some officers will take risks hoping that everything turns out ok but most officers are just trying to abide by their agency's policy and protect their career.  The bottom line is that no court or law enforcement representative can compel these insane people that WE have brought into our live to be sane which is why WE have to choose carefully.  Most of  us realize that we have let our children down in picking their parent and now we must do damage control.

Civil Standbys are a good idea, especially if court ordered, have someone else pick the child up as ordered by the judge; this gives you an independent witness.

My husband is a police officer and we have the same exact problems you all are describing.  We keep spending thousands of dollars and numerous hours in court just to maintain a relationship with his two kids; we have to remind ourselves constantly that it is an unfortunate concequence that the courts had no role in creating.  IT SUCKS!!!