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Interesting perspective on John Kerry's war record
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The Essex Soapbox ^ | February 17, 2004 | Mike Morrison


Posted on 02/18/2004 8:06:40 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy


I've long thought that John Kerry's war record was phoney. We talked about it when you were here. It's mainly been instinct because, as you know, nobody who claims to have seen the action he does would so shamelessly flaunt it for political gain.

I was in the Delta shortly after he left. I know that area well. I know the operations he was involved in well. I know the tactics and the doctrine used. I know the equipment. Although I was attached to CTF-116 (PBRs) I spent a fair amount of time with CTF-115 (swift boats), Kerry's command.

Here are my problems and suspicions:

(1) Kerry was in-country less than four months and collected, a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three purple hearts. I never heard of anybody with any outfit I worked with (including SEAL One, the Sea Wolves, Riverines and the River Patrol Force) collecting that much hardware so fast, and for such pedestrian actions. The Swifts did a commendable job. But that duty wasn't the worst you could draw. They operated only along the coast and in the major rivers (Bassac and Mekong). The rough stuff in the hot areas was mainly handled by the smaller, faster PBRs. Fishy.

(2) Three Purple Hearts but no limp.. All injuries so minor that no time lost from duty. Amazing luck. Or he was putting himself in for medals every time he bumped his head on the wheel house hatch? Combat on the boats was almost always at close range. You didn't have minor wounds. At least not often. Not three times in a row. Then he used the three purple hearts to request a trip home eight months before the end of his tour.. Fishy.

(3) The details of the event for which he was given the Silver Star make no sense at all. Supposedly, a B-40 (rocket propelled grenade) was fired at the boat and missed. Charlie jumps up with the launcher in his hand, the bow gunner knocks him down with the twin .50 (caliber machine guns), Kerry beaches the boat, jumps off, shoots Charlie, and retrieves the launcher. If true, he did everything wrong. (a) Standard procedure when you took rocket fire was to put your stern to the action and go (away) balls to the wall. A B-40 has the ballistic integrity of a Frisbee after about 25 yards, so you put 50 yards or so between you and the beach and begin raking it with your .50's. (b) Did you ever see anybody get knocked down with a .50 caliber round and get up? The guy was dead or dying. The rocket launcher was empty. There was no reason to go after him (except if you knew he was no danger to you - just flopping around in the dust during his last few seconds on earth, and you wanted some derring-do in your after-action report). And we didn't shoot wounded people. We had rules against that, too. (c) Kerry got off the boat. This was a major breach of standing procedures. Nobody on a boat crew ever got off a boat in a hot area. EVER! The reason was simple. If you had somebody on the beach your boat was defenseless. It couldn't run and it couldn't return fire. It was stupid and it put his crew in danger. He should have been relieved and reprimanded. I never heard of any boat crewman ever leaving a boat during or after a firefight.

Something is very fishy.

Here we have a JFK wannabe who is hardly in Vietnam long enough to get a good tan, collects medals faster than Audie Murphy in a job where lots of medals weren't common, gets sent home eight months early, requests separation from active duty a few months after that so he can run for Congress, finds out war heros don't sell well in Massachusetts in 1970 so reinvents himself as Jane Fonda, throws his ribbons in the dirt with the cameras running to jump start his political career, gets Stillborn Pell to invite him to address Congress and Bobby Kennedy's speechwriter to do the heavy lifting, winds up in the Senate himself a few years later, votes against every major defense bill, says the CIA is irrelevant after the Wall (Berlin) came down, votes against the Gulf War, a big mistake since that turned out well, decides not to make the same mistake twice so votes for invading Iraq, but oops, that didn't turn out so well so he now says he really didn't mean for Bush to go to war when he voted to allow him to go to war.

I'm real glad you or I never had this guy covering out flanks in Vietnam. I sure don't want him as Commander in Chief. I hope that somebody from CTF-115 shows up with some documented facts challenging Kerry's Vietnam record.

I know in my gut it's wildly inflated. And fishy.

This e-mail was written by Mike Morrison, who won a bronze star in Vietnam and who is now retired, but wrote speeches for Lee Iacocca for many years. It was sent to his brother Ed, who sent it to one of our readers who follows such matters. -Ed.-
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« Reply #1 on: Feb 19, 2004, 03:32:07 PM »
There's always been something about this guy I didn't like, not that I can put my finger on it.  But Edwards is a different story.  I have yet to hear ANYTHING negative on him and he just seems so squeaky clean.  Whatcha hear, SPG??
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I haven't heard too much about Edwards
« Reply #2 on: Feb 19, 2004, 04:25:53 PM »
Not yet anyway.  His wife seems to be a warm, friendly person.  She was a doctor, but quit her practice when their son died in an accident years ago.  If I see anything(positive or negative), I'll post it.  Sorry about Howard dropping out.  He was scary, but he was real :-)

Maybe you saw what Kerry did to a Philly Cheesesteak, or saw him try and figure out how to eat a hotdog.  Another rich little commie...

Unfortunately, some of the pics now come up as little red x's, but there are several of Kerry and his wife Theresa.  Pretty sad.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1080533/posts

Just scroll throught the babble and catty comments.  People have posted some interesting contrasts such as Tipper and Al, Laura and GW, Nancy and Ron, not to mention Theresa and her first husband.  

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RE: Interesting perspective on John Kerry's war record
« Reply #3 on: Feb 19, 2004, 05:58:32 PM »
You know, I saw some of the same things about kerry and thought,, wtf???

I am also a decorated vet,,and it damn sure wasnt in a 4 month tour of duty LOL.

The only exception we had to shooting wounded,, was wounded who were still presenting a threat. I can gauruntee that NO ONE I saw that took 50 cal fire EVER got back up. If that round hit solid anywhere,, it put a man down. A leg hit would damn near blow the limb off.


I took a round in the right side of my chest,, and another time, took shrapnel from a morter in the left thigh. Trust me, I spent some time out of the field on those. Believe it or not, the dang mortor wound hurt a hellova lot more than the gunshot did.

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RE: Interesting perspective on John Kerry's war record
« Reply #4 on: Feb 19, 2004, 06:36:27 PM »
I was on my way home earlier this week and heard something to this effect too on a radio talk show.

A caller called in and said "I know people who REFUSED the third purple heart because that was an automatic sign or thing that would get you rotated back home and out of there."

Hmmmm....



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I haven't heard too much about Edwards
« Reply #5 on: Feb 19, 2004, 04:25:53 PM »
Not yet anyway.  His wife seems to be a warm, friendly person.  She was a doctor, but quit her practice when their son died in an accident years ago.  If I see anything(positive or negative), I'll post it.  Sorry about Howard dropping out.  He was scary, but he was real :-)

Maybe you saw what Kerry did to a Philly Cheesesteak, or saw him try and figure out how to eat a hotdog.  Another rich little commie...

Unfortunately, some of the pics now come up as little red x's, but there are several of Kerry and his wife Theresa.  Pretty sad.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1080533/posts

Just scroll throught the babble and catty comments.  People have posted some interesting contrasts such as Tipper and Al, Laura and GW, Nancy and Ron, not to mention Theresa and her first husband.  

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« Reply #6 on: Feb 19, 2004, 05:58:32 PM »
You know, I saw some of the same things about kerry and thought,, wtf???

I am also a decorated vet,,and it damn sure wasnt in a 4 month tour of duty LOL.

The only exception we had to shooting wounded,, was wounded who were still presenting a threat. I can gauruntee that NO ONE I saw that took 50 cal fire EVER got back up. If that round hit solid anywhere,, it put a man down. A leg hit would damn near blow the limb off.


I took a round in the right side of my chest,, and another time, took shrapnel from a morter in the left thigh. Trust me, I spent some time out of the field on those. Believe it or not, the dang mortor wound hurt a hellova lot more than the gunshot did.

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RE: Interesting perspective on John Kerry's war record
« Reply #7 on: Feb 19, 2004, 06:36:27 PM »
I was on my way home earlier this week and heard something to this effect too on a radio talk show.

A caller called in and said "I know people who REFUSED the third purple heart because that was an automatic sign or thing that would get you rotated back home and out of there."

Hmmmm....


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A nice piece on John Edwards
« Reply #8 on: Feb 19, 2004, 06:49:42 PM »
With a working link!

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/12/features-blume.php

Searching for the Heart of John Edwards
A trip home to assess the legendary lawyer
by Howard Blume  

 
An angel of vermont marble cradles a stone
image of Wade Edwards, who died at 16.
John Edwards commissioned the Robert
Mahaly sculpture to mark his son's grave.
(Photo by Sara B. Davis)
 
For some years, I’ve had two unusual links to John Edwards, the trial attorney–turned–presidential contender. First, Edwards was senior partner in the small law firm that employed a close friend, someone I’d grown up with in North Carolina. And second, another close childhood friend had been a client of Edwards in a heartbreaking, landmark case that Edwards had tried brilliantly.

But loyalty to friends aside, when I heard Edwards was running for president, my immediate reaction was “You’ve got to be kidding.” No offense, but how could a political newcomer seriously contend for the top job? The first-term senator from North Carolina hadn’t even been politically active before virtually buying himself a Senate seat. Didn’t North Carolina have business that needed tending to?

Plenty of people in my native state are muttering pretty much the same thing. Or so I learned when I traveled to North Carolina last week to probe the heart of John Edwards in the heart of John Edwards country.

“He hadn’t spent enough time working in the Senate,” observed Frank A. Daniels Jr., the retired publisher of the Raleigh News & Observer. “He got bit by the bug when Gore almost picked him to be vice president. He started looking at who the alternatives were. He started assessing his own abilities and his own chances.”

But Daniels himself has been won over, so much so that he went to South Carolina to campaign on Edwards’ behalf. Edwards won in South Carolina but couldn’t stem the rising tide this week for Massachusetts Senator John Kerry in Tennessee and Virginia. Still, Edwards, who is raising money and attending a rally in Los Angeles this week, may prove the last standing alternative to
frontrunner Kerry for the Democratic presidential nomination. And Edwards looks awfully appealing, even to Kerry supporters, as a potential No. 2 on the ticket. Daniels thinks so, too, but doesn’t subscribe to the entire populist package that Edwards presents, especially any suggestion that Edwards is down-home humble.

“He’s got tremendous assurance, tremendous ambition,” said Daniels. “To run for the presidency of the United States has got to take tremendous balls, and he’s got brass balls. His mother makes a pretty apt comment when she says, ‘People have always underestimated my son.’ I surely underestimated him.”

Edwards’ political rise is all the more remarkable given a personal tragedy from which his closest friends wondered if he would recover. In 1996, Edwards’ 16-year-old son Wade died in a freak accident, and Edwards fell into near emotional paralysis, almost unrecognizable as the state’s most celebrated, most successful and most self-confident personal-injury attorney. Edwards’ entry into politics and even the presidential race is, at some level, a response to this tragedy, though the subject remains discomfiting and painful for Edwards and all who know him well.

“He would have been in politics anyway,” said Edwards’ former law-firm partner David Kirby. “But the death of his son accelerated his entry into politics.”

Through it all, the fundamental John Edwards remains something of a mystery. It’s difficult to know his political imperatives because his record of public service is thin, his short time in the Senate unremarkable. To some, he brings to mind John F. Kennedy, who served just over one full Senate term. Kennedy, too, projected idealism and intellect. JFK also was driven by his father’s naked ambition to have a son become president.

As for Edwards, his courtroom brilliance is documented, his oratory speaks for itself and his personal values stand upright, but his commitment to causes beyond the political benefit of the moment remain a trial without yet a verdict.

 

My first look at Edwards, in a June 2003 Town Hall in Raleigh, showed a skilled politician who genially reflected his state’s traditional values, which included his support of George Bush’s Iraq war resolution — even as he challenged Bush in other realms.

Fast-forward to a week ago. The Edwards that I caught up to in South Carolina barely resembled the laid-back moderate at the Town Hall. It was as though Edwards, a youthful 50, had been injected with adrenalin and charisma — and it wasn’t just the rockabilly soundtrack that pumped his entrance and exit. He’d come up with a truly seductive stump speech, delivered with passion, about “Two Americas”: one for the rich and the corporations — “those who have everything they need” — and one for the rest of us, living “paycheck to paycheck.” The speech is short on specifics, but long on populism and drama. Perhaps he was still a Southern moderate, perhaps not. It was sort of hard to tell, even as the cheering rose, almost without fail, every time he thundered: “Not in our America! Not in our America!”

I, too, had underestimated this silk-tongued Southerner, who’s won over increasing numbers in the jury of voters. All of which is no surprise to attorneys who have seen him at work.

“Whether it’s 12 people sitting in a box with him, or it’s one person or it’s the whole country, he’s not up there giving a speech, he’s talking — he connects with people,” said Raleigh criminal-defense attorney G. Bryan Collins. “He finds a way to relate to people. He’s got an almost unique ability to communicate with people of all walks of life without being condescending or patronizing.”

When John Edwards the lawyer interviewed prospective jurors, he’d roll his leather-bound swivel chair right to the carved wooden railing of the jury box, sit down and have an eye-to-eye conversation. He wanted to know each individual’s heart and intellect. And during the trial, he always watched each jury member closely. At what moments did a person look bored, engaged, confused? And what was he going to do about it? For a panel that included a real estate agent, for example, Edwards explained complicated evidence with metaphors drawn from the real estate business.

Once, when his junior associate, Mark Holt — the friend I grew up with — called for advice during a trial, Holt started to describe how the testimony had transpired as planned. Edwards interrupted impatiently. He didn’t want to know about evidence. He counted on Holt to handle that capably. It was the jury he wanted to hear about. What exactly had the faces of jury members shown throughout the day?

It took a while for Edwards to translate this one-on-one courtroom magic to an auditorium and a television audience. Because he has, he has a chance to be president. But what is this achievement but the skill of a talented politician, one who predictably defines himself as something different and fresh? That’s a familiar and none-too-fresh claim.

In the end, how much is Edwards the malleable advocate, with positions based on what he thinks most people want to hear, especially if it will advance his career? Does he hold progressive core beliefs that he could marshal into progressive policy?

Edwards’ courtroom victories suggest a positive answer, showcasing as they do his desire to right wrongs, to see justice — in financial terms at least — delivered to victims who’ve suffered because of medical malpractice, a defective product or an indifferent corporation focused exclusively on the bottom line.

One notable case involved the family of my friend Harry Howard, with whom I’d also grown up. Harry’s brother and his brother’s wife had died when the driver of a 30,000-pound tractor-trailer lost control, crossed the center line of a narrow, dangerous road and plowed into their car. Their 4-year-old son was orphaned. Edwards and his team, which included my lawyer pal Mark Holt, argued that the driver was negligent and that his company’s policies encouraged unsafe driving. One reason that Harry’s mother had pursued the case was to send a message to trucking companies. Edwards later noted, “Trucking firms in North Carolina were soon placing greater emphasis on driver-safety training. They were equipping more and more of their vehicles with governors to regulate driving speed. Some companies even abandoned the practice of paying drivers by the mile.”

But Edwards was less encouraged by another response. Insurance-company lobbyists subsequently prevailed on a bill that disallowed punitive damages related to an employee’s actions, “unless that particular action was specifically ratified by corporate officers,” wrote Edwards in Four Trials, his book published to coincide with his presidential campaign.

“Yes,” wrote Edwards, “our lawsuit had sent a message, and that message ultimately was: If you don’t like the law, change it . . . The message to me, on the other hand, was one I’d confronted over my legal career and I’d grown to appreciate: If you can’t help enough people being a lawyer, consider being a lawmaker.”

 

Ask numerous Edwards’ associates and they’ll tell you they knew almost nothing of his political aspirations or political views before he ran for office. Partner David Kirby insisted he had regular political discussions with Edwards, during which Edwards demonstrated concern for public education and helping the disadvantaged. (Part of Edwards’ platform is to make college tuition free for the first year for every person who is qualified to attend a public college and is willing to work part-time.) Kirby’s account could well be true, but then again, Edwards’ loyal friend is himself renowned as a rhetorical strategist.

Edwards’ legal career was not noteworthy for public-interest law or pro bono work. And while Edwards’ clients were typically sympathetic victims, their good fortune in the courtroom also was his. The firm typically received 25 percent to 40 percent of the judgment as its fee — standard for lawyers who work on a contingency basis. Edwards’ firm would receive nothing for its work in a lost case.

“The practicing of law wasn’t about money to John Edwards,” said Kirby. “It sounds like a ‰ disconnect here, but that’s true. He was financially secure for a lifetime. He could have retired at age 40. He practiced law because of the mental challenge. He was a fierce competitor, and most importantly, he practiced law because he truly loved his clients.”

The size of the judgment in the Howard case, which would support the orphaned boy, was due in large measure to Edwards’ skill at portraying what a fine man Harry’s brother had been. Indeed, everything he said about Harry’s brother was true, and the jury responded. But would the jury have awarded less money to the family of a more ordinary man who died under the same circumstances? Such is the lottery-like nature of tragedy, courtroom outcomes and the caliber of your advocate.

Many doctors and insurance companies blame skyrocketing malpractice rates on lawyers like Edwards, who win huge damages awards by successfully playing on a jury’s heartstrings. The North Carolina Medical Society has gathered disturbing anecdotal evidence, such as the case of a 51-year-old Hendersonville-area neurosurgeon. This doctor, in a high-risk specialty, saw his insurance rates rise from $60,000 in 2002 to $194,000 in 2003, even though, he said, no one had ever successfully pursued a malpractice claim against him. He was the only neurosurgeon in that part of the state when he packed up for another state. Million-dollar verdicts in North Carolina grew from 5 percent to 20 percent of cases over a 10-year period, said urologist Joseph Jenkins, who headed the Professional Liability Insurance Reform Task Force for the North Carolina Medical Society. Said Jenkins: “John Edwards set in motion, with his success, and in particular, his pursuit of cerebral-palsy cases, a litigation lottery mentality, built, for example, around the unscientific concept that if a child has cerebral palsy, it’s automatically the doctor’s fault.”

Attorney David Kirby, in turn, pointed out he and Edwards carefully screened inquiries for cases with genuine merit. He also cited estimates of 98,000 deaths a year from medical mistakes. He blamed rising malpractice rates on insurance companies that can no longer count on high dividends from premiums invested in the stock market as well as on the rising cost of medical care.

The senator’s critics, in essence, argue that trial attorneys, with Edwards as a trendsetter, have done harm to the masses while helping individual, sympathetic clients and also enriching themselves. Jenkins added that Edwards has protected trial lawyers at the federal level, too. Edwards would counter that he’s protecting the rights of the clients of trial lawyers. Overall, a Democratic voter might well conclude that Edwards’ empathy with victimized clients could translate to better governance than George W. Bush’s natural empathy with the already rich.

 



The evolving Edwards: As high
school standout for North
Moore Mustangs(BOTTOM LEFT); at law
school graduation with future
wife (RIGHT); and at wedding to
Elizabeth Anania
Photos Courtesy Edwards campaign

 
Legal triumphs did, in fact, allow Edwards to join the ranks of the wealthy. But he started from near scratch, as the eldest son of teenage mill workers who lived in a three-room company house. His father would labor all his life to creep into the middle class, and watched with pride as the boy he christened “Johnny” became the first family member to attend college. After graduation from law school at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill, he married Elizabeth Anania, a girl he’d noticed in his first class, someone whom he’d immediately concluded was smarter and more sophisticated than he’d ever be.

As they pursued their legal careers, John and Elizabeth Edwards doted on their son, Wade, and daughter, Cate, now a college senior. Edwards, recalled a colleague, once flew home from a deposition in Denver just to see Wade play in the YMCA league, then flew back to Denver. Edwards’ habit was to go through intense periods when he’d focus on a trial, then compensate for it with intense parenting. An end table at his old law office groans with plaques and trophies from when he coached his children’s sports teams. Photos of his children cover another bureau, along with a framed black-and-white photo of his wife as a raven-haired young beauty. In preparation for the courtroom, Edwards sometimes found inspiration by contrasting his clients’ grief with his own personal happiness. He’d compare the loss of one client’s parents to his own joyous times spent with his son and daughter. He’d look at a child with brain damage and note that she was almost exactly the same age as his son.

These images loom like an omen in Edwards’ book, when he describes the sweetness and intelligence of his son, and how Wade would have made a good minister, and how Wade talked of someday joining his father in the law firm. In the summer of 1995, Edwards and son tackled Mt. Kilimanjaro together, something for which Wade had prepared all summer. Edwards, busy with legal work, had not trained, but typically declined to back down from the challenge. Both made the summit, the elder Edwards in a world of pain, but buoyed by the promise of the young man blossoming before him.

Wade Edwards, 16, died the following year, on April 4, 1996, when a sudden gust of coastal wind caused his Jeep Grand Cherokee to flip over. His father, who’d mastered every situation the courtroom could throw at him with daring, brains and relentless preparation, suddenly had no answer. “Here’s a guy who has more energy than any human being you’ve ever known, and he was paralyzed,” said a family friend. “John and Elizabeth would sit on the couch and we would sit on chairs, and we would just look at each other.”

His law partner David Kirby lived a few doors down from Edwards’ elegant white colonial, and he’d stopped by almost every night to talk to Edwards, and virtually assist him to bed.

Edwards returned to life with projects that honored his son — at Wade’s high school, a memorial bench and sculpture shaped like the tail of a flaming comet; at the gravesite, a 10-foot-tall, 10-ton sculpture of an angel carved from Vermont marble by a noted artist. And across the street from the high school stands the Wade Edwards Learning Lab, with computer-assisted tutoring for any student who needs it.

As a friend tells it, the building had not been for sale when Edwards inquired about it. “I need this building,” he told the owner, who said it still wasn’t for sale. “You don’t understand,” said Edwards persistently. “I need this building.”

Edwards and his wife also dealt with their loss by having two more children, the youngest, Jack, was born after Elizabeth Edwards had turned 50.

Edwards finally returned to work and won his two largest judgments ever, $25 million and $23 million, in the last two lawsuits he ever tried. Each tripled the state’s largest previous awards in contested cases for product liability and malpractice, respectively.

The case of Valerie Lakey had clear public-policy implications for the future senator. Valerie had nearly died at age 5 when caught in the suction of a pool drain. The accident tore out 80 percent of her small intestine and 50 percent of her large intestine. Valerie’s father, David, spearheaded a successful legislative drive requiring pools in North Carolina to have two drains, a safety feature that could have prevented the tragedy. In the trial, Edwards and Kirby uncovered a series of previous tragedies that had not spurred the company to remedy its product.



In 1997, little Valerie Lakey drew a
picture to thank attorney John Edwards,
who won a record judgment in her case.
Now 16, Valerie declined to have her picture
taken, offering instead this more recent
drawing.

 
Valerie, now 16, faces a lifetime of expensive health challenges, but has emerged from her ongoing ordeal a smart, slightly sassy teen, with a waif-like attractiveness and a taste for goth.

“We think the world of John Edwards,” said Valerie’s mother, Sandy. “We think he’s extremely intelligent and articulate and would be an awesome president.”

Edwards’ final cases marked a turning point, said Kirby. “He was even better at representing these people, more connected to his clients, after the death of his son. He felt it. He could communicate to others what it is like to have this loss. But I think it was too painful from an emotional standpoint.

“We’re in the misery business,” added Kirby. “We deal with loss and injury here, in particular we represent a lot of children who are killed, brain-damaged, horribly burned. Having lost his own child, it became a very difficult, emotional struggle for John.”

 

When Edwards ran for the Senate in 1998, his Republican opposition salivated at taking on a “trial lawyer,” as they’re dismissively called in North Carolina. But Edwards fashioned himself the people’s lawyer, while also spending $6 million of his own fortune. As a senator, Edwards won admirers for his work defending against the impeachment of Bill Clinton. He also helped shape a patient “bill of rights” that failed to get through a Republican Congress.

But Edwards the president?

Retired editor Frank Daniels fielded the question over breakfast at Big Ed’s in Raleigh. “I thought Edwards was running for president too soon,” said Daniels. “On the other hand, when is it not too soon? I don’t know the answer to that, and I haven’t met anybody yet who does. I think Edwards combines judgment and common sense. And let’s face it, 98 percent of being president is picking good people and having the judgment to know what is going on. George Bush showed poor judgment.

“And I think Edwards understands that if you want to do anything for this country, you’ve got to represent somebody other than those folks who have money. I have some money. I believe in people trying to get some, but I also believe people have an opportunity to give as much as they can get, achieve whatever they can achieve. I think John Edwards advocates that far, far better than anybody who’s been running in recent times.”

But the peerless attorney also will be pressed to demonstrate, over time, that he’s doing more than arguing a case to get a win. And that the pursuit of this goal won’t gradually turn him into just another politician weaving together the right words to get elected. And that his clients truly are the voiceless and dispossessed.

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« Reply #9 on: Feb 19, 2004, 07:30:59 PM »
What this guy said reminded me of what Davy said about no one talking about what happened in Viet Nam.  Now I understand.  The folks I knew mainly talked about incompetent idiots running the show, and how they were treated state side.  The man I met when I was in High School obviously had a Purple Heart, but he never mentioned anything about awards.  He was still too upset about his fiancee jilting him...

I've seen what a 12ga shotgun can do, so a 50ca should be able to just about explode a human body.  

God bless you for serving our country!  You know a bullet can go straight through, cauterizing the wound due to the heat as it travels.  A mortor fragments, causing lots of wounds that are not heat sealed, thereby exposing raw nerve endings.  Oh, I believe it hurt worse than the bullet :-(

I'll tell you right now that I'm a little pissed off at George, mainly about the "guest worker(cough amnesty) proposal".  I'm still going to vote for his reelection.

I'll post good stories, pro and con about John Edwards,  because I sure as hell don't want that Jane Fonda worshipping asshole running the country!



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RE: Interesting perspective on John Kerry's war record
« Reply #10 on: Feb 19, 2004, 10:38:03 PM »
Funny you should mention that MB,,


I was finally threatened with a psych eval and discharge if I tried to re-up again where I was. I had gotten to the point, I didnt WANT to come back here to the states.

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« Reply #11 on: Feb 20, 2004, 09:32:06 AM »
That's more information than I've ever gotten on him and he really sounds like an interesting and honest guy...........
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« Reply #12 on: Feb 20, 2004, 12:06:02 PM »
NP :-)

If I find anything else, I'll post it.  

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or How to Beat a Dead Horse
« Reply #13 on: Feb 20, 2004, 03:19:10 PM »
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Davy,, get therapy dood, you need it.
« Reply #14 on: Feb 20, 2004, 04:34:39 PM »
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RE: Davy,, get therapy dood, you need it.
« Reply #15 on: Feb 20, 2004, 08:16:17 PM »
Ah Hah...let's see...you're the know-it-all that thinks children should
should be placed if foster care.  If you would have been in TFER when I was there perhaps you wouldn't be so willing to downgrade it.

Watch your mouth.

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RE: Davy,, get therapy dood, you need it.
« Reply #16 on: Feb 20, 2004, 08:39:39 PM »
I dont need to watch anything twit.

In fact,, you wanna come rag on me now? Got nothing better to do? No small animals to torture eh?

Better yet,, just what do you think you can do if I dont "watch my mouth" ya blowhard?

I love how you take my posts about children and foster care out of context,, but then that seems to be a trademark of your attacks and personal vendettas.
Now I have to ask davy ,, just what does my being a know it all , or your twisted slanted views on my posts have to do with the subject at hand? You need help. You truly need to get therapy.

Does it say across subject: PD is a know it all? Or how about, PD thinks kids need to be in foster care?  Nope,, it says davy needs therapy,, that is the topic . ;)

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Typical name-calling liberal tirate
« Reply #17 on: Feb 20, 2004, 11:16:06 PM »
Guess it makes you feel like a big man.  You and I both know better !

I brought up your views on placing children in foster care ... remember John5739 ... as an indication of who really needs therapy.  Are you still using like many in the medical field ??

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Get back on your meds Davy
« Reply #18 on: Feb 20, 2004, 11:23:00 PM »
ROFL!!!

If anyone who knows me saw that, they would laugh right out of their chair. Me? A liberal? Too too funny.


I remember my posts quite well on that particular subject,, now, I challenge you to back up your view of them with cold hard facts. In fact, you and I and anyone else who remembers that particular thread also knows just why and under what terms I advocated children being in foster care. But of course,, THAT doesnt fit or match your attack on me,, so you conveniently forget to mention that dont you?


I simply love your view of medical personel. It goes so well with the rest of your demented views.

So,, you obviously have gone off your meds again ,, havent you davy?

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Excuse me Posters...
« Reply #19 on: Feb 21, 2004, 12:04:22 AM »
I want to be completely honest and polite to all...

Please do not turn posts into flame wars.  I come on here to read the posts, they start turning into flame wars, and i start skipping over threads where more then one of the people are in it so i do not have to deal with it. I have more concerns in real life then to see some people throwing hate around.

Thank you for your time reading.

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Thank you.
« Reply #20 on: Feb 21, 2004, 03:14:39 AM »
For being completely honest and polite.

While I am sorry that you feel the need to skip over threads, I dont regret calling a spade a spade.

I have watched davy post some of the most venomous targeted attacks ,, and this time, I simply chose to not sit by but to actually call him on his nonsense.
He has a specific person he targets, and who knows what sets off his little tirades. I do know when he does,, he posts out of malice, anger and spite.
 In fact, I've grown to EXPECT that type of reply from davy if he posts after stpauliegirl. Whats more, it typifies the general tone of about any reply I see of his. He has issues,, therapy would help.


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RE: Excuse me Posters...
« Reply #21 on: Feb 21, 2004, 12:10:42 PM »
I know.  I just posted the info on Kerry and Edwards as an FYI.  I'm actually a Republican, but if someone is going to vote for any candidate, they should have as much backround information as possible.  Hey you never know who might come out as the winner in November.

This is getting pretty ridiculous, but unfortunately a certain poster will post something so idiotic and hateful, that I find myself replying, instead of ignoring.  I was pm'd to a thread on the parenting board.  It's turned into a complete mess.  I have tried to do my part in trying to reply to posts this person makes that actually have value, to try and clear the air and stop the crap from flying, but it obviously isn't working.

I'll try harder to ignore the barbs.

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RE: Excuse me Posters...
« Reply #22 on: Feb 21, 2004, 02:08:09 PM »
I actually enjoy alot of the FYI threads, but when someone (not naming names, you know who you are) starts attacking someone else for putting up information or giving thier opinion its just not right.

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RE: My 'pinion?
« Reply #23 on: Feb 21, 2004, 09:41:51 PM »
Is that something is wrong.  I'm NOT making excuses for this persons behavior, SPG doesn't deserve the repeat attacks, but I can't help but think that something bad or something extremely stressful has happened to this poster...cause he's not always like this.

Like I said, I'm not making excuses for the "behavior", I'm just saying that sometimes, life REALLY sucks...and sometimes we turn into a**holes to people who don't deserve it.  (i'm one of those people who turn into an a** when things are going sh*tty)

No one who's on the sh*t end of this persons stick deserves what he's dishing out.  But I will say...I worry about people who suddenly "snap"...

((((((((((everyoneinthethread))))))))))



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RE: Thank you.
« Reply #24 on: Feb 22, 2004, 07:24:52 AM »
I'm afraid I have to agree with PD on this one...Davy has gone off the deep end on a few threads and his demented "points of view" are just that...demented.  The guy seriously should consider some of PD's advice...all he wants to do is fight on here.  Everyone is a target, no matter how innocent the situation or the question.

 

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